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[Southampton Gull]

Nothing wrong with Scalextric. Go play with your cats

[Southampton Gull]

Cheers Dave and I completely agree.

For some reason F1 still appears to get bad press but it is actually exciting and the introduction of DRS and Kers (?) has helped with that. Strategy is also hugely important, as you say. However I'm not sure why they ditched the whole 'refuelling' aspect of the race. I thought it was much better when that had to be worked into race strategies as well. Sometimes you'd end up with someone with an almost empty tank further back in the field and they fight their way up the grid so they could maintain a position after they pit. I'm sure there's some simple reason as to why they scrapped that part but I found it enjoyable.

I'm with you on all of that mate. Biggest disappointment for me these days is the qualifying. If they stopped cars from having to go with the setup they finish qualifying with it would go back to being almost as dramatic as the race itself, it's the one part of F1 these days that IS boring.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Nothing wrong with Scalextric. Go play with your cats

Nice one Dave! Can't argue with that one!

[Regiment]

Those "Self Service" express tills in supermarkets.

well, more specifically, the muppets that use them, and they come in various guises :-

1. the old Doris who has no idea where she is, let alone how to use the till or where to put the money, so stands there looking around waiting for an attendant to come and help them do it !! please just go to a till, that has an attendant already sat there, ready to help you.

2. the mum with three kids, a buggy and a trolley full of shopping. Really, is the self service express till your best option ?? It is ?? oh ok, we'll all just stand here while your damn kids squabble over who is going to scan which item, and then decide they don't want to bag their item, but run around the f**kin shop with it while the bloody machine sits there refusing to do anything else until said item is put in the sodding bag !

and finally number 3, my favourite, who scans through the shopping, and just puts it on the platform/bagging area - but NOT IN A FRIGGIN' BAG. then they pay, and THEN put the shopping into the bags. For fooks ache.


if you really have to do any of the above, please go to the store at midnight and fill your boots, not midday when the rest of us are popping in to grab a few quick items (hence using the express tills) during their lunch break !! thank you.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Those "Self Service" express tills in supermarkets.

well, more specifically, the muppets that use them, and they come in various guises :-

1. the old Doris who has no idea where she is, let alone how to use the till or where to put the money, so stands there looking around waiting for an attendant to come and help them do it !! please just go to a till, that has an attendant already sat there, ready to help you.

2. the mum with three kids, a buggy and a trolley full of shopping. Really, is the self service express till your best option ?? It is ?? oh ok, we'll all just stand here while your damn kids squabble over who is going to scan which item, and then decide they don't want to bag their item, but run around the f**kin shop with it while the bloody machine sits there refusing to do anything else until said item is put in the sodding bag !

and finally number 3, my favourite, who scans through the shopping, and just puts it on the platform/bagging area - but NOT IN A FRIGGIN' BAG. then they pay, and THEN put the shopping into the bags. For fooks ache.

if you really have to do any of the above, please go to the store at midnight and fill your boots, not midday when the rest of us are popping in to grab a few quick items (hence using the express tills) during their lunch break !! thank you.

Know exactly what you mean Brady!

[chunkygull]

you know what really grinds my gears ?

people who live a life of riley on benefits.

why is it the country is in a right sh!t state, gazillions in debt, people losing their jobs because of cuts, we are told we all have to tighten our belts.... yet some get money showered on them like confetti. there are benefits for this, benefits for that and those that make the decisions on who gets it cannot seem to fathom who genuinely needs it and who is taking the p!ss.

i see many people i know who are on benefits and dont work that have job seekers/dole/income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, extra money for alcohol and drugs if needed, and all the various benefits there are for knocking out 3+ children i see many of these people living a fun, comfortable life, doing exactly what they want - smoking, drinking, gambling, going on holidays, wearing designer clothes, they have lovely new furniture (in their nice flat/house that benefits are paying for), driving 4x4 vehicles, got flat screen new tvs, and much, much more.

final F**kin' straw - last week i heard of 2, yes 2 women local to our area,who are serial benefit claimants that have had tit jobs. both have given birth to a gaggle of children each so i guess the obscene amount of money they have both received because they have CHOSEN to have that many kids has paid for their plastic surgery.

To be fair to one of our esteemed posters- "makes my p!$$ boil" doesnt even come close.

each week there seems to be more and more stories of injustice in the benefit system by those receiving far too much of it. yet,there are those who really need it and cant get it.

we keep getting told, you cant blame those who are claiming it if they are better off, its the system to blame. yes, but many F**kin' lie to get what they want or it seems the easiest way is to keep having children.

i remember even only 20 years ago when myself and my mates were petrified of getting our girlfriends or casuals/one night stands pregnant. and likewise the females were a bit scared also. we all knew we couldnt support a child financially and all the things that goes with it. we always used to be told if you cant afford to support children then you should not have them. your lives could be f***in' ruined and you will have to work your fingers to the bone to pay your way and support yourselves and your children. now none of that seems to be a problem and indeed many see it as a right and not a privilige that the government supports them if they wish to have children.

watching jeremy kyle and this morning at times there are many examples of how the benefit system just encourages these people to live a life they want and they dont have to work for it.

2 stories stand out for me, there was a couple on this morning who had 7 children, neither work (dad says - so many children he has to stay at home to help also) ,got a massive house, everything paid for by the tax payer.

dad has had a vasectomy (should have done that at least 4 children ago). mum decides she is broody. must have another child. borrowed sperm from her daughters boyfriend. had another baby, number 8.

schofield and holly (pphhwoarrr) are horrified by the the seeming immorality.
that aside, schofield asks- "who pays to support all these children"
dad replies "we do"
schofield keeps repeating the question more and more forcefully and the dad repeats the answer more and more aggresively and defensive.
schofield says "you arent paying for them, if you dont work, the taxpayer is paying for them.
dad replies "we do pay for them, we pay out of our benefits"
points are made, defensive arguing ensues, offense is taken, outrage is evident and through the whole affair the brazen, immoral, irresponsible, scrounging pair of dip$h!ts cannot see the wrong in what they have said and done.

today there was a woman on the programme who altogether as a package is claiming up to 70 grand a year. she does not intend to stop and get a job either. she had a job earning 100 grand a year. she CHOSE to give the job up to have 3 children and then stay at home with them.

divorce has led her to claim benefit but somehow she has a big posh house in a nice area for her and the children. one of her kids is grown up and part of the benefit total is to pay for his university. she drives the customary 4X4 and has a fairly comfortable life by all accounts. not far off the life she was accustomed to. in fact she was bleating the benefits were hardly enough because after she has costed up all her bills and outgoings she is only left with about £164 a week disposable income.

she justified her huge housing benefit by stating she cannot possibly leave the area she lives in, it just simply isnt an option and she would have to reclaim all her benefits if she moved.

i always thought people had to make sacrifices when faced with tough times or when you have children.

another infuriating story this week, a girl who didnt work etc, hasnt really paid into the system, got a boob job worth £4,500 done on the NHS because having small tits was causing her emotional distress. now she has them disproportionately large and is glamour modelling. Surely because her assets given to her by the NHS are making her money she should pay back what the op cost?

of course you read that this week and then the usual stories about care trusts not coughing up neccessary money for kids to receive certain cancer treatments or there is the usual postcode lottery for various types of treatment and care.all very fair isnt it.

there are many many more stories, i havent even started about immigrants coming here and claiming, i could go on, but that willl do....... for now!

[EmetEdadsBeard]

you know what really grinds my gears ?

people who live a life of riley on benefits.

why is it the country is in a right sh!t state, gazillions in debt, people losing their jobs because of cuts, we are told we all have to tighten our belts.... yet some get money showered on them like confetti. there are benefits for this, benefits for that and those that make the decisions on who gets it cannot seem to fathom who genuinely needs it and who is taking the p!ss.

i see many people i know who are on benefits and dont work that have job seekers/dole/income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, extra money for alcohol and drugs if needed, and all the various benefits there are for knocking out 3+ children i see many of these people living a fun, comfortable life, doing exactly what they want - smoking, drinking, gambling, going on holidays, wearing designer clothes, they have lovely new furniture (in their nice flat/house that benefits are paying for), driving 4x4 vehicles, got flat screen new tvs, and much, much more.

final F**kin' straw - last week i heard of 2, yes 2 women local to our area,who are serial benefit claimants that have had tit jobs. both have given birth to a gaggle of children each so i guess the obscene amount of money they have both received because they have CHOSEN to have that many kids has paid for their plastic surgery.

To be fair to one of our esteemed posters- "makes my p!$$ boil" doesnt even come close.

each week there seems to be more and more stories of injustice in the benefit system by those receiving far too much of it. yet,there are those who really need it and cant get it.

we keep getting told, you cant blame those who are claiming it if they are better off, its the system to blame. yes, but many F**kin' lie to get what they want or it seems the easiest way is to keep having children.

i remember even only 20 years ago when myself and my mates were petrified of getting our girlfriends or casuals/one night stands pregnant. and likewise the females were a bit scared also. we all knew we couldnt support a child financially and all the things that goes with it. we always used to be told if you cant afford to support children then you should not have them. your lives could be f***in' ruined and you will have to work your fingers to the bone to pay your way and support yourselves and your children. now none of that seems to be a problem and indeed many see it as a right and not a privilige that the government supports them if they wish to have children.

watching jeremy kyle and this morning at times there are many examples of how the benefit system just encourages these people to live a life they want and they dont have to work for it.

2 stories stand out for me, there was a couple on this morning who had 7 children, neither work (dad says - so many children he has to stay at home to help also) ,got a massive house, everything paid for by the tax payer.

dad has had a vasectomy (should have done that at least 4 children ago). mum decides she is broody. must have another child. borrowed sperm from her daughters boyfriend. had another baby, number 8.

schofield and holly (pphhwoarrr) are horrified by the the seeming immorality.
that aside, schofield asks- "who pays to support all these children"
dad replies "we do"
schofield keeps repeating the question more and more forcefully and the dad repeats the answer more and more aggresively and defensive.
schofield says "you arent paying for them, if you dont work, the taxpayer is paying for them.
dad replies "we do pay for them, we pay out of our benefits"
points are made, defensive arguing ensues, offense is taken, outrage is evident and through the whole affair the brazen, immoral, irresponsible, scrounging pair of dip$h!ts cannot see the wrong in what they have said and done.

today there was a woman on the programme who altogether as a package is claiming up to 70 grand a year. she does not intend to stop and get a job either. she had a job earning 100 grand a year. she CHOSE to give the job up to have 3 children and then stay at home with them.

divorce has led her to claim benefit but somehow she has a big posh house in a nice area for her and the children. one of her kids is grown up and part of the benefit total is to pay for his university. she drives the customary 4X4 and has a fairly comfortable life by all accounts. not far off the life she was accustomed to. in fact she was bleating the benefits were hardly enough because after she has costed up all her bills and outgoings she is only left with about £164 a week disposable income.

she justified her huge housing benefit by stating she cannot possibly leave the area she lives in, it just simply isnt an option and she would have to reclaim all her benefits if she moved.

i always thought people had to make sacrifices when faced with tough times or when you have children.

another infuriating story this week, a girl who didnt work etc, hasnt really paid into the system, got a boob job worth £4,500 done on the NHS because having small tits was causing her emotional distress. now she has them disproportionately large and is glamour modelling. Surely because her assets given to her by the NHS are making her money she should pay back what the op cost?

of course you read that this week and then the usual stories about care trusts not coughing up neccessary money for kids to receive certain cancer treatments or there is the usual postcode lottery for various types of treatment and care.all very fair isnt it.

there are many many more stories, i havent even started about immigrants coming here and claiming, i could go on, but that willl do....... for now!

Nail on head! Yes, it makes my p!$$ boil, and I'm a socialist by upbringing and nature, but i'm afraid if the Tory b@$t@rd MP who suggested benefits be paid on a card with no cash going to the recipients ever got his suggestion agreed then I'd walk to his constituency to shake his hand. Benefits are there for neccesities not luxuries, and if i've told this tale before apologies but....

I have two daughters. One married, now working part time after having my grandson (she did work full time), her husband has just started working 4 long days a week so he can have an extra day off as childcare is so expensive. The other is, as I type, preparing to give up her small flat in a shithole of an area (Mexborough, Andy and Chris will back up that statement) as despite working full time she just cannot keep up with the cost. She's moving back in here with us to try to get back on her feet. She scrimped and saved, bought second hand furniture, tried her damnedest to keep her own place but financial reality has bitten and she's given up the fight.
Both are struggling financially.

Then there's Mrs Beards neice. Single mother, kids dad never worked and is never there, given house (despite Mrs Beards brother and sister in law being fairly well off with a house big enough for her and her brat) all the benefits you could shake a stick at and guess what? Yep, she smokes, drinks, is constantly on facebook whining about how her new I Phone wont work properly and is covered from head to foot in garish tats! Never has ANY intention of working EVER again due to her 'Bi Polar' syndrome (give me fookin' strength!!!) so gets a disability benefit on top (I think). Fookin made up syndrome, she's a bit moody but no more than I am.

I'm afraid its time for-
Benefits paid on a card which will NOT pay for fags, booze, tats, drugs, mobile phones, flat screen TVs and Sky subscriptions. These are luxuries, if you would like them GET A FOOKIN' JOB!

Purpose built flats for single parents (particularly teen mothers) who are using kids as a lifestyle choice. You get a room, share a kitchen/bathroom and the babies needs are catered for (food and nappies etc supplied), drug addled boyfriend is not coming in to smoke his 5h1t or snort anything as gorilla sized security guard (job for you there Dave ) is stood in their way. No more jumping the housing queue, take room or stay with your parents.

Babies thought to be even remotely at risk removed immediately. See too many kids at the school where I work suffering from neglect due to drug addled or drunken or just plain fookin idle parents (the LEA in Mirfrield set up a bus pick up service for schoolkids whose mothers couldn't get out of bed in the morning, and when it was televised they were in their pyjamas at 8.45 saying they struggled to get up in a morning so the kids were always late, let alone be dressed or had any breakfast. They were ALL single mothers FFS)

P!$$ well and truly boiled

[AustrianAndyGull]

OUCH!!! I got scalded by some flying hot urine just then!

First things first Emet before i totally agree with yours and chunky's posts ( sorry, rants).

1. Mexborough, that is where my partner is from and she was born at Montague Hospital. You're right though, it's a complete dump!

2. Bi Polar syndrome is a real illness and as someone who suffers ever so slightly from a similar thing it's not a nice thing to have to battle with but it doesn't stop ME working like that woman you said. Most peoplem just use these things as excuses like drug addicts who get done for shoplifting. I guarantee if you read the local rags about stories of shoplifters, burglars etc it will ALWAYS have a defence statement 'in mitigation' by a legal spokesman saying, "OH he has been battling with alcoholism / drug abuse / depression for a while since the break of of his relationship with a slapper who ISN'T the father of his 8 kids who he never sees and he has been trying to turn his life around despite being kicked out by his parents aged 4, being bullied at school, not having sex until he was 18 ( i know how THAT feels! ) and being an all round ugly f*cker". So in mitigation these excuses make it acceptable to go around nicking things and breaking into peoples homes taking things other people have worked for and he is seeking help for his problems. TOUGH SHIT! TOO LATE!! I GET HAMMERED WHEN I GET DEPRESSED BUT DON'T GO COMMITTING OFFENCES YOU TOTAL WASTERS!!! SORT YOURSELVES OUT OR TAKE A BLOODY O/D AND LET THE REST OF US TRY AND STRUGGLE ON WITH OUR LIVES TOO BUT WITHOUT IDIOTS LIKE YOU LOT TO MAKE THINGS HARDER!!!! MAKES MY P*SS BOIL!!!!

Sorry about that unpleasantness but i'm just saying what i feel. People get depressed and take drugs or get battered on alcohol. Fine, no problems with that but get help and sort it out and then move on. If you can't do this and you want to carry on living this lifestyle then i haven't got a problem with that either so long as you work for the money you use to buy the stuff and your actions have no detrimental effect on other people or society as a whole.

On the subject of people who don't work. When you have a system that penalises the good for working and saving and generally contributing and those who p*ss all their benefits up the wall and have and never will work get EVERYTHING then it becomes clear that we should protest like they do in France and not just a group of students thinking they can change the world with some tents and banners. I mean a real revolution because things will never change otherwise no matter who we vote for. They're all cut from the same cloth. To me it's common sense. Why should the people who give nothing get everything whilst the people who give everything get nothing? I don't see how any politician would be ostracised for making some draconian and much needed welfare reforms based on this premise. Dogs are a great example, reward them for doing good and they'll continue to do so, all this country does is reward people for doing bad. If i robbed 50 houses and got 50 convictions and got sent down, i'd have more opportunites to learn and get back on my feet that decent ordinary folk who are struggling to do just that without any help. Like i said help and reward bad people and alienate and punish good people. Nice.

[EmetEdadsBeard]

Andy, I have some very dark places, I can be lower than whale sh1t at times, I let the smallest things get to me when I'm feeling low and occasionally feel there's little point carrying on. I don't sleep well, let things play on my mind and sometimes think if it can go wrong it will. My crap job doesn't help, but I soldier on.
On the other hand, I can be bouncing around like a teenager who has just lost his 'V' plates (I was just 16 by the way, thanks Katrina), laughing at the antics of my grandson, have a grin as wide as the Don when my eldest got married last year or swell with pride when I attended my sons graduation or when I see him smash someone when he's playing Rugby. My youngest daughter can make me laugh but sad on the same day (we are too alike).
It's called being moody, I've always been the same (due to my upbringing I think, but thats far too long a story for here).
I'm not Bi Polar OR AM I?
It's always been called moodiness, I suffer with it but I haven't got a made up syndrome, it's just the way I am.
One thing is certain, it (along with ADHD, ADD, ODD, BBC, CIA, FBI, MI5, TWATS and a whole host of other imaginary illnesses) is no reason to sit on your arse doing raking in money for doing nowt!!

[SuperNickyWroe]

Andy, I have some very dark places, I can be lower than whale sh1t at times, I let the smallest things get to me when I'm feeling low and occasionally feel there's little point carrying on. I don't sleep well, let things play on my mind and sometimes think if it can go wrong it will. My crap job doesn't help, but I soldier on.
On the other hand, I can be bouncing around like a teenager who has just lost his 'V' plates (I was just 16 by the way, thanks Katrina), laughing at the antics of my grandson, have a grin as wide as the Don when my eldest got married last year or swell with pride when I attended my sons graduation or when I see him smash someone when he's playing Rugby. My youngest daughter can make me laugh but sad on the same day (we are too alike).
It's called being moody, I've always been the same (due to my upbringing I think, but thats far too long a story for here).
I'm not Bi Polar OR AM I?
It's always been called moodiness, I suffer with it but I haven't got a made up syndrome, it's just the way I am.
One thing is certain, it (along with ADHD, ADD, ODD, BBC, CIA, FBI, MI5, t**t and a whole host of other imaginary illnesses) is no reason to sit on your arse doing raking in money for doing nowt!!

no mate - you are just f**kin nuts!

oh, and as for mexborough ( twin town beirut) you are bang on.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Andy, I have some very dark places, I can be lower than whale sh1t at times, I let the smallest things get to me when I'm feeling low and occasionally feel there's little point carrying on. I don't sleep well, let things play on my mind and sometimes think if it can go wrong it will. My crap job doesn't help, but I soldier on.
On the other hand, I can be bouncing around like a teenager who has just lost his 'V' plates (I was just 16 by the way, thanks Katrina), laughing at the antics of my grandson, have a grin as wide as the Don when my eldest got married last year or swell with pride when I attended my sons graduation or when I see him smash someone when he's playing Rugby. My youngest daughter can make me laugh but sad on the same day (we are too alike).
It's called being moody, I've always been the same (due to my upbringing I think, but thats far too long a story for here).
I'm not Bi Polar OR AM I?
It's always been called moodiness, I suffer with it but I haven't got a made up syndrome, it's just the way I am.
One thing is certain, it (along with ADHD, ADD, ODD, BBC, CIA, FBI, MI5, t**t and a whole host of other imaginary illnesses) is no reason to sit on your arse doing raking in money for doing nowt!!

To be honest Emet, i'm exactly like you. Up and down like a fiddlers elbow. Buzzing one minute, questioning everything the next. I reckon many people are like that but daren't talk about things. Lets go and have a swift pint dahn at' Mallard and put the world to rights! That's after we've cleared the pub of people first for their own safety! Someone will clear the broken glasses and stuff up whe we've done!

[Southampton Gull]

Always considered Emet a mate and he's right, just a moody barsteward. Bloody good laugh though

Oh he's sh!te with computers as well

[AustrianAndyGull]

Always considered Emet a mate and he's right, just a moody barsteward. Bloody good laugh though

Oh he's sh!te with computers as well

[SuperNickyWroe]

pot and kettle andy? :}

[chunkygull]

with regards to the main posts replying to mine by andy and mr beard - gentlemen, i absolutely love both of your posts and there are some great points made.
andy i agree being bi polar, depressed, stressed or suffering anxiety isnt pleasant and can make life difficult, even unbearable at times. indeed, there are many people in this country who suffer with some of those and carry on working or get help and get on with their lives as soon as they can.

i am sure there are many of us thanks to our at times mundane lives where we often seem to get sh!t upon from a great height and suffer injustice and hardship, we feel like sh!t and just want the whole world to p!ss off. and in equal measure there are days we have more bounce than zebedee and the simple or little things bring us great joy and make us smile (like our football team actually winning, yaaaay).

many people manage to work with many ailments, illnesses and conditions without claiming off the state.why should so many be able to live off the state when there is next to nothing wrong with them or something very trivial. loads of people have had sh!t lives, sh!t up-bringings and have had sh!t things happen to them and they still manage to push on and work or make something of their lives.

many of us have got p!ssed up, sometimes more than we should have, dare i say it there are more people out there taking drugs than a shy humble country boy like myself ever imagined, but most of us carry on and work and contribute to society whilst supporting ourselves.

i love the idea of instead of giving benefits in cash it should all be done on a special benefits card which can only be used on essentials and to pay bills etc. that is an absolute must. i would love to see many of their faces if that comes in.

i have been ranting to my poor old missus at times when i read about amounts of housing benefit, housing shortages, housing associations, council houses, people saying they are entitled to bigger houses because of how many kids they have and also tenants staying in houses that have 3 or 4 rooms and they only need 1 or 2.

i have been saying similar to mr beards idea for a while about new purpose built flats.

it might not be a popular idea but new tower block estates are the only way to combat housing shortages and cut the benefit bill.

simple idea- build the new flats on the outskirts of town etc, make them decent enough for purpose - because the old type estates were sh!t to start with which is part of the cause of social unrest and crime riddled estates. the flats could be nicely laid out and there could be communal gardens and a decent playground for the kids.

make the flats all different sizes to suit the sizes of those irresponsible families who keep having too many children even though they cant pay to support them. up to 5 or 6 bedrooms if necessary.

anybody that would normally qualify for housing benefit will not get their rent paid anymore, they must take a flat that is offered to them. no money will be paid out in benefit and there will be no rent to pay. they will get the flat, but must still endevour to try and support themselves by finding a job or risk losing the benefits and flat they have.all those who live off the state by having children will not be allowed to once all the children are 18.

any criminal or anti-social activity by a tenant or their children will not be tolerated.and the flat you are given must be kept in immaculate condition. 3 strikes and you are out. homeless and no benefits. bye bye, sayonara, arrivederci, adidos, au revoir, do widzenia, so long, ta ta, see ya- get the f*** out.

before everyone starts saying oh housing estates, tower blocks we cant have any more of them, crime, theft, drugs, social unrest, like i said the old estates were sh!tholes and bred decay and deprivation from the start.treat people like animals and they will behave like animals.

to prevent problems - similar again to mr beards suggestion, some decent security teams, big burly bastards to patrol the grounds to prevent or stop any crime and antisocial behaviour. deterrent and antidote (job creation right there). if needs be the money saved by the government from not having to fork out housing benefit can go on extra police who then might be able to spare a few good men to perform some of the duties police are supposed to do - such as patrol and sort out areas where there is potential for crime (more job creation).

also the government could afford to employ inspectors to keep a check on the flats and make sure nothing untoward is going on and the flats are being well kept and maintained (more job creation).

before anyone says hang on we cant afford this - well the outlay to begin with will be expensive. how much did the olympics cost again? how much did an nhs computer system that failed cost? how much do we give away each year in foreign aid?

it will cost a fair bit to build these new tower blocks, but it will be worth it. if there are 1 million housing benefit claimants then there needs to be about 1 million flats built. this would create jobs in the building industry for a long time giving them much needed work.

there will be the expensive outlay and costs to build, but after that not much and no more housing benefit bill! The old social housing that is left could then be sold off at an affordable price to get hard working people on the property ladder or at least help bring the rental market down to a realistic affordable rate.

i have done a little bit of research on the net today and found out how much the government has been shelling out on different benefits -

housing benefit per year = £16.94 billion. that will be saved every year by doing the above idea- minus the cost of running the security, inspection, maintenance and bureaucracy/paper work/red tape involved, which will be peanuts in comparison.

housing benefit is the second highest benefit bill after the state pension which = £74.22billion a year.

disability living allowance = £12.57 billion

tax credits/child benefit = £12.22 billion

jobseekers = £4.91 billion

nothing will change in this country until we force those in charge to listen to the real majority and what normal average everday people who are the real backbone of this country actually think.
like andy said protesting and forcefully putting our point across may be the only way. the french seem to do it a lot when they are p!ssed off and it works for them.

i just about remember when the late thatcher era brought in the poll tax and there were protest marches and near riots and people got there way. the poll tax got abolished.

indeed, again, just seen on our local news about social housing a woman bleating there arent enough social houses available big enough for her and her brood, she feels she needs at least 4 bedrooms. stop having so many f***ing children if you cant afford to support yourself and them!

a bloke on disability is moaning because he has a 3 bedroom place and 1 room is spare therefore under new rules his housing benefit is going to be cut because he has a spare room. the whole point of that rule is to get people living in a house that is of a size they dont need, to move out.

just to hammer home my point, give housing benefit qualifiers a government built flat that is the correct size for them and that is a potential saving of £16.94 billion a year. you will always have those who will stay in their flat for life, just like they do now with social housing, but you will always get those also who sort themselves out, better themselves, get jobs, dont qualify and eventually get their own place.

recently there have been a few high profile figures including the arch bishop of canterbury whining on saying the recent proposed benefit cuts are immoral and will cause poverty.
well what the f*** are we supposed to do, things cannot go on the way they are!

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh really grits my sh!t.