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by merse btpir
07 Oct 2018, 21:29
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: The appraisal is now done
Replies: 42
Views: 8198

The appraisal is now done

culmstockgull wrote: 07 Oct 2018, 17:08I would like to see Nicholson have another chance in some aspect of football purely because he is such a nice bloke
That's not a reason to put him in charge of something he he is patently not qualified to do competently ~ has he got another job? No! ~ and if you did then you are as daft as the last lottery winner we had!

This club has to be run professionally and competently!
by merse btpir
07 Oct 2018, 17:18
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: What's going on with
Replies: 8
Views: 2293

What's going on with

Absolutely agree with Louis and have given the problems and threats caused to free to use sites like this and BTPIR big publicity on the site that I Admin this afternoon.

Better still; uninstall AdBlock and boycott the Herald Express site!

Read more: http://thelondonlabia.proboards.com/pos ... z5TGLpuSjb
by merse btpir
07 Oct 2018, 07:36
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: FA Cup 3RQ Brightlingsea Regent v TUFC 6/10/18
Replies: 94
Views: 20171

FA Cup 3RQ Brightlingsea Regent v TUFC 6/10/18

lucy6lucy wrote: 07 Oct 2018, 03:08I'm sure merse will re-evaluate, but at best with everybody paying £10 entry, that's only generated £4700...
Well everybody didn't did they; I paid £6 and £1 for my son and there were plenty of other concessionary aged fans there ~ you can knock a couple of grand off that I'm sure and the Brightlingsea chairman was telling somebody in my presence that they needed a gate of c900 to break even due to the travelling and accomodation deductable from the gate.

The only ground where I've had to squeeze back out thrugh the turnstile to leave as well!
by merse btpir
05 Oct 2018, 14:00
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: FA Cup 3RQ Brightlingsea Regent v TUFC 6/10/18
Replies: 94
Views: 20171

FA Cup 3RQ Brightlingsea Regent v TUFC 6/10/18

That's because in any Football Association match where the receipts have to be shared; no free admission is allowed and therefore the £1 for U12s is a token charge.

Admission prices need to be agreed mutually between the competing clubs and it is not unknown for higher charging visitors to insist on prices higher than the home club would normally wish to set.

In all Rounds, match expenses shall include travelling expenses, actually incurred, which must not exceed £3.00 per coach mile for same day travel and £6.00 per coach mile where an overnight stay is agreed. The travelling expenses for the Visiting Club are to be calculated on a direct route from the Club’s Headquarters, the total mileage must be agreed between both Clubs prior to the first match and confirmed on the Match Arrangement Form. Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form. Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission. The grounds for making such an application are that it would be necessary or desirable for the Visiting Club to leave its headquarters before 8.00am on the day of the match, alternatively, not be possible to arrive back at its Headquarters within five hours travelling time of the conclusion of the match. Expenses, which may be claimed, if actually incurred, shall not exceed £100 per person for up to 25 persons. The grounds for making an application are that if the travelling time exceeds five hours which includes a stop of not more than 45 minutes then expenses can be allowed with travelling time based on Auto Route details, as determined by the FA Competitions Office. A Club that has been granted hotel expenses by The Association must stay within a 30 mile radius of the ground where the match will be played.

From this we can ascertain that an expenses claim of over £3,000 will be deductible to be paid to Torquay United before any share of gate receipts is possible. Unless they achieve the £15,000 prize money; there is every possibility of a financial loss on this game for the home club.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 17:47
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

Why do you have to come over as such an idiot when it was not I who initially steered the thread in that direction?

You merely exasperate the view of some that this forum is inhabited by 'kids' incapable of seeing beyond the matches and cannot really comprehend an intelligent discussion. There are some far more capable of expanding their spectrum of thought who are above that.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 14:25
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.
Replies: 115
Views: 18327

Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.

George Edwards is now the Operations Director responsible for running Torquay United and directly answerable to Clarke Osborne...

He was also a director of Tee Jay Leisure between 1997 and 2008; a company that operated a golf course at Ingol, near Preston and another at Thoulstone Park in Wiltshire which apparently closed following a rejected planning application. During the final years of his time with Tee, Jay George Edwards was joined on the board by Craig Hemmings with whom he had worked at Pontin's. Craig Hemmings is the son of Trevor Hemmings, owner of Preston North End. It seems to be a case of paths crossing within the Lancashire (and North Wales) world of piers, holiday camps and leisure attractions. The same names appear over and over again. Sometimes the same people are on a board of directors together; other times one familiar name replaces another. It's not helped by the fact that several versions of Pontin's later traded under completely different guises...Pontin's' property portfolio of course was acquired by Clarke Osborne.

George Edwards is named as Chorley Sporting Club's managing director in the link below. The structure incorporated Chorley Football Club, Victory Park Holdings and Chorley Sporting Club:
https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/wr ... an-1-93774

Posting on BTPIR, well informed contributor haldonrambler writes: 'From a starting point of learning about Gaming International's involvement at Plainmoor I was expecting people such as George Edwards to have featured rather more. Instead we've seen Clarke Osborne steer the club into his personal ownership through his control of Riviera Stadium Ltd with Chris Rich taking the higher profile. You wonder if George Edwards will be acting on behalf of Torquay United, Gaming International or Riviera Stadium.'
http://thelondonlabia.proboards.com/use ... ge+edwards

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Chris Rich sitting with Clarke Osborne at Plainmoor

Chris Rich was the accountant who Osborne previously relied upon to oversee the week to week running of the club being that it was using his (Osborne's) money to function and with the daughter of Ian Hayman ~ Mel Hayman ~ as club finance controller. She can often be seen sitting at ther father's side during matches and in the past was doing so with Rich who has now departed the scene.

So Edwards has come aboard with his experience of football administration and appears to have been immediately involved in the change of football management at the Club.

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George Edwards (right) in the aftermath of the Evesham Tea Bombing
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 12:54
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.
Replies: 115
Views: 18327

Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.

I don't want an owner to be emotional; I want him to be objective.

I want him to act in the best interests of the major stakeholders ~ the supporters ~ and to be successful at it.

Unfortunately we had too much of the former in the last two ownerships and none of the latter.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 12:40
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.
Replies: 115
Views: 18327

Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.

This is a different kettle of fish from his enterprises at Poole and Swindon and in the case of speedway he's always accommodated that dying sport within the footprint of greyhound racing which in itself is hardly in a healthy state nation wide anyway.

His 'footprint' at Reading still lays empty and derelict in the shadow of the nearby Madejski Stadium complete with it's own indoor dome and hotel; on site. Something I'm sure he notices and would have at Torquay if he were able.

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Osborne's old footprint at Reading lays forgotten & derelict in the shadow of the nearby Madejeski Stadium & hotel

Torquay United is an established professional football club crying out for the professional direction and management it has lacked for decades. We have to hope that he sees this as the answer to his acquisition and hope to enjoy the ride while it lasts.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 11:58
Forum: All things Plainmoor
Topic: Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.
Replies: 115
Views: 18327

Torquay United unveil huge plan for 10,000-seater stadium.

If you are a major tax payer and own many companies, it makes sense to invest in the weaker, loss making ones thereby utilising one's capital in one's own interest rather than hand it over to the tax man.

If Clarke Osborne is ever to get a return on his acquisition of Torquay United and cannot get the Plainmoor freehold as a result of owning the Club, then he has to capitalise it and develop it as something tangible that he can one day 'sell on'.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 11:51
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

MellowYellow wrote: 04 Oct 2018, 11:12...in the case of Colonialism and exploitation this is a matter of FACT not opinion
Well said; and as I always say ~ if you don;t like the message don't shoot the messenger...

The truth often hurts; and in the case of Colonialism and exploitation we are still living with the ramifications and legacy of all that. To say it should be 'moved on from' is akin to Holocaust denial in my view leading to suspicions of white supremacy and resurrections of the view that certain races and cultures are superior to others.

By keeping the memories of those attrocities to the fore; it is my contribution to reminding people that a return to all that in the case of history and active resistance to all that as in the present day; is my form of opposing it.
by merse btpir
04 Oct 2018, 09:33
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

Nightrider wrote: 03 Oct 2018, 20:51What the hell has this got to do with football?

The conversation swung to an African country and evolved from there...


If you've only got the capacity to read/post about football then if that works for you; fine. Others have a wider spectrum of 'conversation'; sorry if it leaves you unable to join in.

...and whilst we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers we are responsible if we use that as an excuse for failing to acknowledge them and committing to creating a better and more civilised society.
by merse btpir
02 Oct 2018, 21:22
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: FA Cup 3RQ Brightlingsea Regent v TUFC 6/10/18
Replies: 94
Views: 20171

FA Cup 3RQ Draw

United62 wrote: 02 Oct 2018, 14:37I'd agree with Mellow... 200ish. Regent's home crowds seem to be around the 200 mark this season.
They're playing an Isthmian League Premier game at home to Potters Bar Town this evening ~ the gate is 88!
by merse btpir
02 Oct 2018, 21:03
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

culmstockgull wrote: 02 Oct 2018, 16:15 There must be a time when we say enough is enough, it happened centuries ago, get over it.
Really?

Pleased for you living in your cosy world; try saying that to someone who's heritage derives from all that. Try saying that to someone who had to gather a bag and flea for their life at twenty minute's notice; being taken to an airport not knowing which country that plane was even going to and then discpovering that three of your siblings ended up on three other planes all headed for different countries whilst the other five remained at home consigned to their fate.

Try telling someone like that to 'get over it' ~ it did not 'happen centuries ago'; it was still happening just over twenty years ago and the pain and legacy of it occurs every single waking day for those who suffered it!
by merse btpir
02 Oct 2018, 11:59
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

MellowYellow wrote: 02 Oct 2018, 11:26The book 'Heart of Darkness' is worth a read about the Congo. The author Joseph Conrad raises questions about imperialism and racism by creating a parallel between what the author calls "the greatest town on earth", London, and the Congo as a place of darkness. Heart of Darkness suggests that Europeans are not essentially more highly-evolved or enlightened than the people whose territories they invade. To this extent, it punctures one of the myths of imperialist race theory.
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The history of European colonisation and exploitation of the region is shameful...

The Berlin Conference of 1884 decreed that the 905,000 square miles of the Belgian Congo [now the Democratic Republic of the Congo] became the personal property of King Leopold II of Belgium. His genocidal exploitation of the territory, particularly the rubber trade, caused many deaths and much suffering. Murder and mutilation ~ very often the removal of hands and womens' breasts ~ were common.

The Force Publique were required to provide a hand of their victims as proof when they had shot and killed someone, as it was believed that they would otherwise use the munitions for hunting food. As a consequence, the rubber quotas were in part paid off in chopped-off hands. Sometimes the hands were collected by the soldiers of the Force Publique, sometimes by the villages themselves. There were even small wars where villages attacked neighbouring villages to gather hands, since their rubber quotas were too unrealistic to fill.

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A man with his daughter’s hand & foot

The Congo was a playground for sadists. Rene de Permentier was an officer in the Force Publique in the 1890s. He had all the trees and bushes around his house cut down so he could shoot at passers by. He had women prisoners sweep a courtyard. If he then found a leaf in the courtyard he would have a dozen of them beheaded. If forest paths were not well maintained he would order a child killed in the nearest village.

In the book (another well worth reading) ‘King Leopold’s Ghost’ Adam Hochschild estimates that over ten million Congolese died during the years that Leopold and the Belgian Government controlled the country. It is likely that more people died in this Belgian holocaust than died in Hitler’s, but no one was ever brought to book and the crime is largely unknown now. Thousands of Belgians served in the Congo and the crimes that took place there were hardly less known to the Belgian population than Hitler’s were to ordinary Germans.

None of the European colonial powers have an enviable record but Belgium’s was easily the worst. So much for the ‘Plucky Little Belgium’ that the British were urged to defend in World War One. Belgium ~ and in particular it's Royal Family ~ still refuses to acknowledge its own crimes.

In 1908, after an international outcry, Leopold was forced to hand over his territory to the Belgian Government. They controlled the Congo until independence in 1959. The number of murders diminished but mutilations and exploitation continued. The Belgians left the country in such a state that after independence many millions more died in a series of wars and because of government incompetence. The murder of President Lumumba and approximately 100,000 deaths was followed by the disastrous government of Mobutu. The First Congo War of 1996-98 was followed by the Second Congo War [1998-2003]. This is considered the deadliest war in modern African history. The war killed 5.4 million people, mostly from disease and starvation, making it the deadliest conflict worldwide since World War II. Again, largely unknown in the West.

This too makes educational viewing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b0bk8t10

Currently; my daughter is studying this history of her heritage and her mother's flight to France and later Belgium then England for refuge, as an extra-curricular subject and expresses an ambition to become a human rights lawyer.
by merse btpir
02 Oct 2018, 08:40
Forum: Matchday Topics
Topic: Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18
Replies: 172
Views: 26125

Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

dennisk wrote: 02 Oct 2018, 08:13 He did get a bit of stick from the Popside....
He's just 18 ffs!

Would that have been meeted out to Olaf Koszela?