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Fonda

Things were going wrong before Ling left. We wouldn't have dispensed with him otherwise. Did things get worse after he left? Possibly. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. At the time, it was probably the right decision. Lets not re-write history.

Fonda

"They've made a bid. We're waiting for the money to arrive in our account," acting chairman Bill Phillips said.

What a brilliant quote.

Fonda

Apathy reigns at Plainmoor, what a surprise. We can all bemoan our misfortune, indeed I believe it's in the DNA of those born in the Bay Area to do so. In reality, the only thing those with TUFC in their heart can do which *may* have a positive effect is to join TUST. If the very people that should care the most aren't prepared to try and help themselves, what right do we have to expect an outsider to come in and it for us? Shamefully, I haven't yet joined TUST myself, but intend to do so today. One of the things Potential investors in the club will be looking at is the strength of the support. A strong TUST is vital.

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Of cauce

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IanGull01 wrote:

Could well be

Both have bought properties down here apparently so a source tells me.

That 'source'...wouldn't be vodka, would it?

Fonda

Unfortunately, 'passion' is only one of a number of things needed. If we've reached the stage that individual supporters are expressing an interest, desperate doesn't begin to cover it.

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chunkygull wrote: Sorry if my post seemed a bit harsh or a pop at you Fonda, Im becoming a grumpy old bugger and I get narked at these little nitpicky type of things. There are quite a few posters on here using the "legend" "club legend" title too easily for a certain few players and I just dont see it or get it, but each to their own I suppose. I suspect its mainly the younger ones as they wont have much more to compare to. I wasnt singling you out or anything, its just I read it time and time again and I get a little irked by it (in a good natured but dismayed kind of way).

Not a problem at all. I agree with your general point - every other player is apparently a 'legend' nowadays.

I do think we've had precious few true 'legends' over the years, and having led us back into the league previously, Hargreaves comes close to justifying it.

Fonda

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31985907

Nothing really to see here. Man whose job is under threat pleas for time.

'I've been hamstrung from day 1' - The part-time teams we play (and lose to) on a regular basis in this league are probably more 'hamstrung' Chris...

Fonda

I think Hargreaves as assistant to Sturrock (or someone similar) would have been perfect from the start. But Hargreaves had a decent job before this one and I imagine he wouldnâ€™t have come to Torquay at all unless he was given the top job. And I doubt his ego would accept someone coming in above him now unfortunately.

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wivelgull wrote:I agree with Mr. Chunkygull. Robin Stubbs if a club legend; is Hargreaves anywhere near him? No.

So we're only allowed one? This club has had precious few moments of real significance, or players of true quality. Hargreaves provided one of those moments, so in TUFC terms it's probably not too far-fetched.

Fonda

It was a slightly ironic description. I agree, the term gets bandied about too readily. Having said that, he led us back into the league so will always have a special place in the history of the club.

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I'm sure 'we' as supporters can. But I doubt Hargreaves appreciates it too much.

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Gullscorer wrote:A huge budget would help any manager..

Of course. But being the only TUFC manager to have enjoyed a (relatively speaking) large budget, his achievements can't really be compared fairly with others.

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Kit_robin wrote:Not forgotten by me!

I was losing patience with him before he left. The terrible attendance at Exeter (even though it was on the telly) for his first game missing showed how frustrated people were getting.

I think you may be able to make an argument that it was his illness that caused his seemingly stubborn refusal to make any changes to a team that was performing increasingly poorly. He obviously didn't get ill overnight. However we the public will never know that for sure.

For me we need an experienced conference manager. I was never buckles biggest fan but it is undeniable that his experience of being around at a conference level management team for a few years stood him in good stead when he took us over. He brought in nicholson, Philips, todd, zebroski, Hargreaves, Sills - all players who he had seen competitively at that level. We need a manager with this knowledge in place to make the most of our budget next season.

His knowledge of the level we were playing at was his greatest attribute. It shouldn't be forgotten that the huge budget he was given helped him massively too!

Fonda

Can't imagine any fan enjoys watching the team being humiliated 5-1 at home to part-time footballers.

Personally would have loved Hargreaves to succeed as a manager. What could be better than a 'club legend' leading the club to promotion as manager, having already done so as a player?

Unfortunately he got the job because of who he is, not what he'd achieved (as a manager). Many excellent players have failed to reciprocate that in management. There is no disgrace in it, you just have to acknowledge it and move on.

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