Ellis

[kbgull]

It wouldnt surprise me to find Ellis dropped for Robertson to come back in tomorrow and Oastler to stay at right back!

Brian Saah looks to have his place cemented in the back 4 (Lings Blue Eyed Boy), Ellis was at fault for the 2nd goal on Tuesday against Cheltenham due to Saah missing the 1st challenge/header, which left Ellis to try and clean up his mistake!

For me he has to play, he is determind, attacks the ball well and is an asset for set peices!
Saah doesnt look like he can mark a player, he is never near an opponent and like Robertson he is far to Quiet, showing he is not a leader! Club Captain My ASS!!

[tufcfans]

Seems to be a striker now!

[yellow]

Bump

[ferrarilover]

Played a blinder v Plymouth.

Matt.

[yellow]

That won’t be good enough for some.

Mark Ellis is required to have 10 error free games in a row before he as afforded a tiny bit of begrudging respect. If he then makes a mistake he should be banished to the reserves for 3 months minimum.

That is both the Buckle (and the Ellis detractors like royalgull) way.

[Father Jack]

Yeah. Really impressive the way he stood rooted to the spot, watching the ball instead of picking up Atkinson when he moved into position in the area. At least we had a 3 goal cushion by then.

[Dave]

I think it is pretty much the same at every club, fan's wear rose tinted glasses for some players , yet others will never be forgiven after a bad game, the biggest shame for me Saturday is Saah, thought he was having a storming game until he went off, thats the thing , Saah will struggle to be forgiven for an awful start to the season, Ellis despite playing total garbage , was only ever dropped because Buckle did not like him in the eye's of a few.

That said since he has come back into the side he seems to be playing with a lot more confidence , and over all has done well, as for there goal I dont think it was just down to Ellis, when Sutherland made his run into the box, 4 Torquay players are sucked into to following the ball, leaving a huge hole in the middle, very schoolboy all round, and hope Taylor has had a look at that.

[diamondgirl]

Mark Ellis every week please.

[royalgull]

That won’t be good enough for some.

Mark Ellis is required to have 10 error free games in a row before he as afforded a tiny bit of begrudging respect. If he then makes a mistake he should be banished to the reserves for 3 months minimum.

That is both the Buckle (and the Ellis detractors like royalgull) way.

I'm not an Ellis detractor, I support all of our players the same. I have ones I prefer to others naturally but I don't dislike Ellis. But similarly I've never had the massive love in for someone that hasn't been consistently good over a season. Ellis has done extremely well and has clearly been a major reason why we're doing well, brilliant. If he's helped things, improved things then that's fantastic and I'm delighted about that.

I just want him to play well for more than 5 or 6 games for once. In the past Ellis has come in done a decent job then immediately gone off the boil and we've been forced to drop him. That's happened numerous times before. This is why I've never understood the 'love in' for him when the lieks of Robertson or Nicholson who have been brilliant for us over the course of not 5 games but 50 games rarely get a mention on these portals. And still don't.

[highweekgull]

As I've always said, Ellis has MUCH more potential than ANY defender I've seen at this club bar perhaps Alex Watson who was class.

With the right manager, coach and partner Ellis could be better than Torquay by a long way. I'd love to stand next to him and talk him through every game- just like Steve Woods was doing before he got ousted.

Anyone who has ever played centre half can see he has the natural ability and just needs to iron out a few wrinkles - which would be done with the right guidance.

Robertson also has ability (and issues like slicing, letting the ball bounce and grabbing opponents) but I'd never see him getting above Div 1, whereas Ellis.

If you asked me who I'd rather have in my squad Ellis or Mike Williamson, I'd take Ellis (even though the latter is obviously better at the moment).

If we have a good season and he plays it all, he will go in the summer along with Eunan.

[stevegull]

Great post highweekgull.

I've always said that Ellis has the potential to far exceed Torquay. This potential was recognised by Premier League scouts in his Exeter days and i heard somewhere that one of the clauses in the deal was that Exeter would get a bonus if he appeared for England. Clearly, he's not ever going to be quite good enough for that level, but i definitely think if he got the right coaching he could play Championship football. Hopefully his recent good run can continue and Ling can get the best out of Ellis (and Stevens) for a sustained period.

[nicktufc]

Agree with both sides of the argument, and think Ellis can be one of the best defenders we've had in my time supporting the club, and in that time, we've had players like Darren Moore, Matt Elliott, Alex Watson, Wayne Thomas, Mike Williamson, all of whom have played in the top flight(not 100% certain about Alex Watson though) but the one thing they all had? An extremely high level of consistancy which Ellis is still searching for. As mentioned above, he plays incredibly well for a handful of games, and then seems to either forget the basics or believe's the hype about him.

Let's all hope that he finds that high level week in week out and goes on to bigger and better things, as that is only going to be good news for TUFC

[yellow]

Agree with both sides of the argument, and think Ellis can be one of the best defenders we've had in my time supporting the club, and in that time, we've had players like Darren Moore, Matt Elliott, Alex Watson, Wayne Thomas, Mike Williamson, all of whom have played in the top flight(not 100% certain about Alex Watson though) but the one thing they all had? An extremely high level of consistancy which Ellis is still searching for. As mentioned above, he plays incredibly well for a handful of games, and then seems to either forget the basics or believe's the hype about him.

Let's all hope that he finds that high level week in week out and goes on to bigger and better things, as that is only going to be good news for TUFC

I do believe that he is doing that now that he has been given the opportunity and hope that he has earned the right to make the odd mistake without banishment. In Dinger I trust.

The recent goals are the icing on the cake of a really good lengthy run of form in a settled side.

I don't believe that the inclusion of Mark Ellis and our recent form are merely co-incidence.

[Dave]

Personaly wish fan's in general would stop this out and out hero worship of Mark Ellis, to me it is about being honest, today I have to say Ellis was superb and he is performaning to a higher standard no doubt, however praise when its due, also he has had a couple of indifferent games this season, so critism when its due as well, keep it real.

[Southampton Gull]

Agree with Dave here, I would say it is a mere coincidence and has much more to do with the emergence of Lathrope in the holding role. Without that tactical change who is to say we wouldn't be seeing much more pressure on young Mark?