**23rd March v Hampton & Richmond** - Big Protest Day

[MellowYellow]

Is it really that unfeasible that the club has lost millions since CO ownee us? ... It all soon adds up

Club chairman (and effective owner) David Bosomworth, Halifax Town (2019) "it costs on average £150,000 a month to run National League FC Halifax" Town.

5 years later after Covid and Inflation how much in todays terms

[WestLondonYellow]

Club chairman (and effective owner) David Bosomworth, Halifax Town (2019) "it costs on average £150,000 a month to run National League FC Halifax" Town.

5 years later after Covid and Inflation how much in todays terms

ok, but we are NLS, although i assume it's similar when remaining full time.

So let's say 150 x 12 = 1.8 million (Does this include taxes paid from revenue?)

Based on average attendance of 2000

so approx. 2-3 home games a month brings in approx. 80-120K a month 9 months per year. Taking that as average for league game revenue that's 100K x 9 = 900k ( There are 23 home games a year, so with an average attendance of 2000, we take £920,000 a season for league games)

Add some TV money and additional gate receipts for cup games, with our record lets say 4 cup games, so another 160K = 1.06million (if anyone can elaborate on this and provide more accuracy please do)

Add Advertising and sponsorship pure guess here but assuming at least over 100K for the year, (again please shed more light if you can) = 1.16million

We have sold players but we never get told the fee, if there is one. Other clubs seem to be able to command a fee but we seem to somehow always miss out, why is that. Transfer fees received = £0, still at £1.16 million

Corporate facilities, Catering income, - again a guess at present - £250k per season

That's a total of £1.41 million, 400K shy of the annual costs given by Halifax, albeit 5 years ago. We are supposed to have lost £1m per year for 7 years, how?
Our gates have been higher at times than 2000, during covid the games were available on a pay per view basis, which opened up the potential for revenue from all fans who geographically can't attend, what kind of revenue numbers were brought in from those pay per view games?? we've had tv money, we've had big games, players have had decent moves to bigger clubs, why are we unsustainable to the tune of a £1million deficit per season.

I appreciate this breakdown is never going to be fully accurate, may be way off, but just trying to get an understanding of exactly how we are unsustainable and by what numbers.

[TUST_Official]

Are YOU happy with the way YOUR football club is being run?

So many aspects of the running of our wonderful football club are causing concern among the fan base. It is worrying to hear of so many long-standing supporters staying away from games because they are so disillusioned and others threatening not to buy a season ticket next year unless things improve.

Rising levels of dissatisfaction are evident from declining attendances, recent matchday protests and the number of critical views posted across social media. Yet those in charge of the club from owner to CEO to manager give the impression that everything is fine and we should all be positive or not express our views.

Well things are not ‘fine’ and now is the time for concerned supporters who have the future of the club at heart to unite and make our voices heard.

TUST is working with other interested groups to bring supporters together to press for change. Further details will be released very soon.

JOIN HERE - www.tust.co.uk

[WestLondonYellow]

Are YOU happy with the way YOUR football club is being run?

So many aspects of the running of our wonderful football club are causing concern among the fan base. It is worrying to hear of so many long-standing supporters staying away from games because they are so disillusioned and others threatening not to buy a season ticket next year unless things improve.

Rising levels of dissatisfaction are evident from declining attendances, recent matchday protests and the number of critical views posted across social media. Yet those in charge of the club from owner to CEO to manager give the impression that everything is fine and we should all be positive or not express our views.

Well things are not ‘fine’ and now is the time for concerned supporters who have the future of the club at heart to unite and make our voices heard.

TUST is working with other interested groups to bring supporters together to press for change. Further details will be released very soon.

JOIN HERE - www.tust.co.uk

I would class this as some potential progress in play.

[MellowYellow]

It's alway difficult to get a true handle of cost but Maidstone United co-director Oliver Ash posted article a few years back about the challenges the Kent club faced when they were competing in the National League. "It will take longer than we thought to get into the EFL (English Football League) but so be it". I would say they are similar to us so makes a good read. see link below

https://kentishfootball.co.uk/news/maid ... ited240119

[TorquayUntied]

ok, but we are NLS, although i assume it's similar when remaining full time.

So let's say 150 x 12 = 1.8 million (Does this include taxes paid from revenue?)

Based on average attendance of 2000

so approx. 2-3 home games a month brings in approx. 80-120K a month 9 months per year. Taking that as average for league game revenue that's 100K x 9 = 900k ( There are 23 home games a year, so with an average attendance of 2000, we take £920,000 a season for league games)

Add some TV money and additional gate receipts for cup games, with our record lets say 4 cup games, so another 160K = 1.06million (if anyone can elaborate on this and provide more accuracy please do)

Add Advertising and sponsorship pure guess here but assuming at least over 100K for the year, (again please shed more light if you can) = 1.16million

We have sold players but we never get told the fee, if there is one. Other clubs seem to be able to command a fee but we seem to somehow always miss out, why is that. Transfer fees received = £0, still at £1.16 million

Corporate facilities, Catering income, - again a guess at present - £250k per season

That's a total of £1.41 million, 400K shy of the annual costs given by Halifax, albeit 5 years ago. We are supposed to have lost £1m per year for 7 years, how?
Our gates have been higher at times than 2000, during covid the games were available on a pay per view basis, which opened up the potential for revenue from all fans who geographically can't attend, what kind of revenue numbers were brought in from those pay per view games?? we've had tv money, we've had big games, players have had decent moves to bigger clubs, why are we unsustainable to the tune of a £1million deficit per season.

I appreciate this breakdown is never going to be fully accurate, may be way off, but just trying to get an understanding of exactly how we are unsustainable and by what numbers.

You do know the annual accounts are available to view online like any other Business.

All the facts are on there.

2 years ago we lost 1.1 million.

No need to guess.

[Stoneybroke]

Good read .. Oliver Ash one of the Maidstone bosses.

Laid out all the problems with the game in the EFL and National league South.

Many things to take into consideration when running a football club

[culmstockgull]

Reading the article by the co owner of maidstone must make scary reading for those who contemplate a phoenix club/ or taking over a going concern from osborne with the existing club and plainmoor in place. Although the article is five years old and costs have gone up hugely we can see you have to generate at least 1.5 million plus per season to stand still,that is with a club like maidstone that has a 3G ptich that gets 50 hours of paid use a week, to be competitive probably add another million a season in higher costs and salaries for better players.
When we talk about share issues, if we could find homes for 10,000 shares at say £100 pound each,, that would raise as a one off injection of start up capital one million pounds, a phoenix club, new venue, playing staff, manager , travelling , insurance etc etc would make a serious dent in that figure even in the toolstation league, no use at all to a national league side even one in the south where we know the day to day running costs of our club far exceed the existing revenue.so like previous owners of our club quickly discovered we could have enough working capital to may be and it is a big maybe finance the club for one season. After that what, pray for a rich owner with no interest in football.
Additionally,the shares must have some re sale or trade in value, or some benefits to holding such shares such as entry discount, season ticket discount or 10 pence of your pint in the bar , all of these are workable but the downside is you are already diluting your revenue.
I think supporters would willingly invest in their home club but they are not stupid or have money to throw away, they cannot be considered junk stock from the outset .if people wished to go down that road they would have invested in the TUST on mass to that value stated and that has not and will not happen.

[WestLondonYellow]

"Reading the article by the co owner of maidstone must make scary reading for those who contemplate a phoenix club/ or taking over a going concern from osborne with the existing club and plainmoor in place. Although the article is five years old and costs have gone up hugely we can see you have to generate at least 1.5 million plus per season to stand still,that is with a club like maidstone that has a 3G ptich that gets 50 hours of paid use a week, to be competitive probably add another million a season in higher costs and salaries for better players.
When we talk about share issues, if we could find homes for 10,000 shares at say £100 pound each,, that would raise as a one off injection of start up capital one million pounds, a phoenix club, new venue, playing staff, manager , travelling , insurance etc etc would make a serious dent in that figure even in the toolstation league, no use at all to a national league side even one in the south where we know the day to day running costs of our club far exceed the existing revenue.so like previous owners of our club quickly discovered we could have enough working capital to may be and it is a big maybe finance the club for one season. After that what, pray for a rich owner with no interest in football.
Additionally,the shares must have some re sale or trade in value, or some benefits to holding such shares such as entry discount, season ticket discount or 10 pence of your pint in the bar , all of these are workable but the downside is you are already diluting your revenue.
I think supporters would willingly invest in their home club but they are not stupid or have money to throw away, they cannot be considered junk stock from the outset .if people wished to go down that road they would have invested in the TUST on mass to that value stated and that has not and will not happen."

[happytorq]

Good read .. Oliver Ash one of the Maidstone bosses.

Laid out all the problems with the game in the EFL and National league South.

Many things to take into consideration when running a football club

would imagine that their finances are in a pretty good state this season, though - with the FA Cup run they've have. Just goes to show that a little bit of luck at the right time can go a long way (see also: Man Utd vs Exeter City, which basiclly saved them)

[culmstockgull]

Westlondon gull, carry on the petty comments and mind games, it just proves your arguement is weak, I have said all a long when complaining about the club,be careful what you wish for, you as you have taken on the mantle as agitator in chief you could be the one we talk about when the club is no more, that should make you popular

[The Great Muta!]

Not entirely sure what WestLondonYellow has done exactly, he's allowed quiz or question the narrative that's put out by CO and the club isn't he?, and the fact GI or CO don't ever deliver on new stadiums, and the potential plans for Gulls new stadium was just a copy of Grimsby's..The club has or is being run into the ground, CO is a property developer and not fome white knight, the figures out out by the club (losses) I don't entirely believe, he's hired a manager who he won't sack, because anyone else from outside his bubble of mates would take one look at the set up and realise the club is a shambles at this moment, it's all to cosy right now, if fans kick off and moan they're deemed trouble or ungrateful, I really don't understand why this is so?, I don't want a conman running out club.

[Guildford Gull]

Westlondon gull, carry on the petty comments and mind games, it just proves your arguement is weak, I have said all a long when complaining about the club,be careful what you wish for, you as you have taken on the mantle as agitator in chief you could be the one we talk about when the club is no more, that should make you popular

What could be worse than the position we are already in? We have an owner who doesn't care about the club but wants to use it for his own ends, a CEO who treats supporters with contempt, a manager who is well past his best and a team going backwards.

[Admiral]

I’d take going bust tomorrow over having no stadium in a few years time

[MellowYellow]

I’d take going bust tomorrow over having no stadium in a few years time

Is bankruptcy and having no stadium tomorrow against having no stadium in a few years time one of the same thing - no club! Why the rush?