Torquay United V Woking - 29/09/18

Dazza · Post by **Dazza** » 02 Oct 2018, 17:54

And has Boris as a first name.

greb46 · Post by **greb46** » 02 Oct 2018, 18:08

TorquayDNA wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 15:41 This is an excellent conversation, thanks to everyone who has contributed and particularly Merse (and daughter) for the insight into colonial abuse. What a debt we owe.

As the statement goes ,evil thrives if good men do nothing.

Dutchgull · Post by **Dutchgull** » 02 Oct 2018, 18:30

Dazza wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 17:54 And has Boris as a first name.

Well said

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 02 Oct 2018, 21:03

culmstockgull wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 16:15 There must be a time when we say enough is enough, it happened centuries ago, get over it.

Really?

Pleased for you living in your cosy world; try saying that to someone who's heritage derives from all that. Try saying that to someone who had to gather a bag and flea for their life at twenty minute's notice; being taken to an airport not knowing which country that plane was even going to and then discpovering that three of your siblings ended up on three other planes all headed for different countries whilst the other five remained at home consigned to their fate.

Try telling someone like that to 'get over it' ~ it did not 'happen centuries ago'; it was still happening just over twenty years ago and the pain and legacy of it occurs every single waking day for those who suffered it!

Shangull · Post by **Shangull** » 02 Oct 2018, 21:56

All this talk of the Congo is making me thirsty for an Um Bongo

Post by **Trojan 67** » 03 Oct 2018, 20:30

wivelgull wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 17:46 A pontificator is one who, bitterly aware of his lack of education and ability, nevertheless pronounces with seeming authority on all matters, even though it is clear to most (but by no means all) of his listeners that he does not have the faintest idea what he is talking about. The prime motivation of the pontificator is not to inform his interlocutors, but to attempt to create an impression of intellectual superiority. The danger is, of course, that he may encounter someone who knows more about a subject than he does. As he knows hardly anything about anything at all, this kind of encounter is not unusual and only increases the pontificator’s bitterness.

Is Wivel poking a stick into pignoramus comrade Napoleon the boar and dictator of Animal Forum?

The Chinese Wivel, have a 1000 ways of shanking deader than shit pork.

Nightrider · Post by **Nightrider** » 03 Oct 2018, 20:51

What the hell has this got to do with football?

grockle · Post by **grockle** » 04 Oct 2018, 01:09

We may have attempted to make amends, but at the end of the day we are NOT responsible for the sins of our fathers.

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 04 Oct 2018, 09:33

Nightrider wrote: ↑03 Oct 2018, 20:51What the hell has this got to do with football?

The conversation swung to an African country and evolved from there...

If you've only got the capacity to read/post about football then if that works for you; fine. Others have a wider spectrum of 'conversation'; sorry if it leaves you unable to join in.

...and whilst we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers we are responsible if we use that as an excuse for failing to acknowledge them and committing to creating a better and more civilised society.

Arrywithnobrain · Post by **Arrywithnobrain** » 04 Oct 2018, 10:12

Oh Merse you font of knowledge way beyond the ken of merely mortal men, pray tell us why the dinosaurs became extinct (facts not opinions please) and how you alone thereof survived. Then let us into the secret of how it is that you are such a wise and sagacious oracle and inform us how you manage to restrain your self-importance with such becoming modesty. Merse the man who knows everything about everything : not just a football mastermind but a Chaser and an Egghead rolled into one

MellowYellow · Post by **MellowYellow** » 04 Oct 2018, 11:12

What I HATE is a discussion with someone and they are countering their view on topic and they say "that's just your opinion " like it cannot EVER be something that can be proven or disproved when clearly if it is the opposite of what they say ,as in they say the truth and you're not saying it , then clearly it CAN be proven or disproved , so it is not an opinion. They are both 2 sides of the same coin ,objective statements so...in the case of Colonialism and exploitation this is a matter of FACT not opinion , one side is right, one side is wrong but NEITHER side right or wrong has an opinion , also if someone is not sure but lean towards something ,that is STILL not an opinion , it is an educated guess.

Plainmoor78 · Post by **Plainmoor78** » 04 Oct 2018, 11:46

merse btpir wrote: ↑04 Oct 2018, 09:33
...and whilst we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers we are responsible if we use that as an excuse for failing to acknowledge them and committing to creating a better and more civilised society.

As said we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers, but by trying to learn from history we might become more responsible members of the human race.
But we do owe something to those who were exploited. The rich nations of the west became wealthy through the exploitation of the peoples and resources of the underdeveloped world. Today we in the West reap the benefits of past wrongs whilst the modern day people of the exploited nations still have to live with the consequences of that exploitation whether through lost resources or the artificial borders imposed on third world nations that makes many of them politically unstable.

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 04 Oct 2018, 11:51

MellowYellow wrote: ↑04 Oct 2018, 11:12...in the case of Colonialism and exploitation this is a matter of FACT not opinion

Well said; and as I always say ~ if you don;t like the message don't shoot the messenger...

The truth often hurts; and in the case of Colonialism and exploitation we are still living with the ramifications and legacy of all that. To say it should be 'moved on from' is akin to Holocaust denial in my view leading to suspicions of white supremacy and resurrections of the view that certain races and cultures are superior to others.

By keeping the memories of those attrocities to the fore; it is my contribution to reminding people that a return to all that in the case of history and active resistance to all that as in the present day; is my form of opposing it.

Post by **westbaygull** » 04 Oct 2018, 16:56

Dear Admin,
Please would you split this thread and pop Merse's history lesson somewhere more appropriate?
Thanks,
Westie o:)

merse btpir · Post by **merse btpir** » 04 Oct 2018, 17:47

Why do you have to come over as such an idiot when it was not I who initially steered the thread in that direction?

You merely exasperate the view of some that this forum is inhabited by 'kids' incapable of seeing beyond the matches and cannot really comprehend an intelligent discussion. There are some far more capable of expanding their spectrum of thought who are above that.

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