The European Union: We're out...!!!

[Gullscorer]

Unfortunately Phil, bias does not proclaim itself with a banner. It is much more subtle and insidious than that, and so it goes un-noticed by the average reader (not that I'm saying you're average ). To be fair, there is a Radio 4 series 'The Corbyn Story' which does appear to take a genuinely more objective view, although I have yet to hear the third instalment..

I have checked the conservative woman and she appears to be fine. Perhaps she's blocked in your workplace for some other reason. Many organisations rely on firms to decide on websites to be blocked, ostensibly to protect, for example, children in schools and libraries, from dodgy sites. In reality, many genuine sites are also blocked, sometimes inadvertently, sometimes for reasons of ideology and political censorship.

[PhilGull]

The thing with the BBC, as a self-proclaimed 'leftie' I find myself getting annoyed at their bias too, bias towards the right. I guess it's another thing that lies in the eye of the beholder.

[Gullscorer]

It has been a month since the UK voted to leave the European Union — but something is missing. Where is the economic collapse? What of EUpocalypse Now? Where is the Brexageddon that we were promised? To the shock of many — not least business titans who bankrolled the Remain campaign — the instant collapse doesn’t seem to be happening. The UK economy is, for now at least, taking Brexit in its stride. The oft-predicted job losses? During the three weeks from 23 June, job listings were up 150,000 compared to the same period last year according to Reed Group, a recruitment consultant. ‘That’s an 8 per cent rise,’ says James Reed, its chairman. ‘The vote hasn’t affected things — people are still hiring.’
The Spectator

[Gullscorer]

The thing with the BBC, as a self-proclaimed 'leftie' I find myself getting annoyed at their bias too, bias towards the right. I guess it's another thing that lies in the eye of the beholder.

You could be right Phil. The trouble is, I'm completely objective and unbiased, yet I detect subtle bias everywhere..

[PhilGull]

You could be right Phil. The trouble is, I'm completely objective and unbiased, yet I detect subtle bias everywhere..

Ha ha, LOLs. Never lose your sende of humour GS.

[Gullscorer]

One more thing: regarding the recent attempted abduction of the RAF jogger, I'm reliably informed that an urgent internal security warning at RAF Marham within an hour of the incident identified the attackers as Asian.

I didn't see this mentioned on the BBC, nor on any other other media outlet. In fact, notwithstanding that most suspects of crimes are of white British or European stock, we hardly ever see the racial or ethnic characteristics mentioned in descriptions of suspects. RAF Marham is but one example.

Such bias as this results from self-censorship due to political correctness which derives from a fear of the ideological commissars embedded throughout our society, stifling dissent and killing freedom of speech.

[madgull]

It has been a month since the UK voted to leave the European Union — but something is missing. Where is the economic collapse?

You always had a beautiful sense of timing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

For those who can't be bothered to click the link: 'Brexit causes 'dramatic drop in economy''.

Brexiters the day after the vote: "YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE ECONOMY ON A FEW DAYS OF ACTIVITY!"

Brexiters a month after the vote: "SEE, THE CRISIS WAS OVER IN A WEEK, THE ECONOMY MOVES THAT FAST!"

...and we haven't even left yet!!!

[Jerry]

One more thing: regarding the recent attempted abduction of the RAF jogger, I'm reliably informed that an urgent internal security warning at RAF Marham within an hour of the incident identified the attackers as Asian.

I didn't see this mentioned on the BBC, nor on any other other media outlet. In fact, notwithstanding that most suspects of crimes are of white British or European stock, we hardly ever see the racial or ethnic characteristics mentioned in descriptions of suspects. RAF Marham is but one example.

Such bias as this results from self-censorship due to political correctness which derives from a fear of the ideological commissars embedded throughout our society, stifling dissent and killing freedom of speech.

You mean apart from the main story on the front page of their website yesterday?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36853106

"One is described as between 20 and 30 years old, approximately 6ft (1.81m) tall, of athletic but stocky build, with dark hair, long on top, and a well-groomed beard. He was of Middle Eastern appearance with dark skin and wore dark casual clothing.

The other is said to be around the same age but younger than the first suspect and of a slimmer build, 5ft 10ins (1.78m) tall, and clean shaven with short dark hair. He was also of Middle Eastern appearance and wore a white T-shirt and dark shorts."

[Dave]

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/6 ... owing-DOWN

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/6 ... oject-fear#

IMF are now saying after telling us, all sorts of unspeakable ill's would fall on the British economy if we voted to leave the EU, that our economy will grow next year, and will not fall into recession.

Problem is, until Brexit actually happens, which it hasn't, no one really knows, so all these articles pro one view or another need to be taken with a pinch of salt, as none of them point to any fact.

With USA, Australia, South Korea, India, and many, many more in the queue to trade with Britain post Brexit, personally think the future for our country is looking pretty good.

[Gullscorer]

Yes I had to laugh at that post Madgull, because it rather proves Brexiters' points regarding reactions to the Brexit vote, which are backed up by what the Chancellor of the Exchequer and other economic experts say: dig a little deeper and read that BBC article again carefully right through to the end, and you will see what I mean. And by the way, can you provide sources for those Brexit comments?

And I suggest you read previous posts and links on this forum about BBC bias. The headline in that news item perfectly exemplifies the media's tendency to choose the most shocking headlines to accord with their own particular biases. That said, the actual article does make a rare (and perhaps inadvertent) attempt, for the BBC, to achieve some balance.

Because you're right, we haven't even left the EU yet, so any volatility and fluctuations in the economy cannot be due to Brexit. They are a result of emotional reactions in business, ranging from ill-judged caution and prudence to misinformed anxiety and fear to desperate attempts by Remainers and EU-philes and their friends in finance and the money markets to fulfil the prophesies of 'project fear' and 'prove' their pro-EU case, thereby hoping to sway public opinion away from Brexit.

They will fail. When everything settles down the country and the world, including the EU and its UK fanatics, will realise that the sky has not fallen in and the long-term future for the UK economy is actually looking quite rosy. Not only that, the UK will be independent, free and democratic, able to trade with the whole world as well as with Europe, able to make our own laws, to control our own borders and our own destiny.

Of course, that survey was taken shortly after Theresa May became Prime Minister, so it could all be her fault..

[Gullscorer]

Hi Jerry, yes, I must admit I missed that BBC item. Perhaps the BBC and the media are actually becoming a little less PC at last. It does worry me though; I have a few friends who fit those descriptions..

I like the BBC's ambiguous description of 'a dark coloured people carrier'...

[Alpine Joe]

Gulscorer

One more thing: regarding the recent attempted abduction of the RAF jogger, I'm reliably informed that an urgent internal security warning at RAF Marham within an hour of the incident identified the attackers as Asian.

I didn't see this mentioned on the BBC, nor on any other other media outlet.

Although the incident happened on Wednesday afternoon, and assuming you're correct in stating that the Asian appearance of the attackers was confirmed in an internal security warning issued within an hour, it's worth remembering that descriptions of the attackers weren't given out by the media until almost 24 hours later (Thursday afternoon).

Whether you 'missed' that information in a BBC report or whether it wasn't there, will probably be dependent on what time you were checking BBC News. For instance, I was listening to the World At One (R4) on the car radio, and the BBC Reporter who was spoken to just before the programme ended at 1.45pm told us quite a bit about the incident, but no description of the attackers.

Either the BBC was in possession of these descriptions and decided against making them public throughout the morning and at lunchtime, and only on discovering that the Police had scheduled a media briefing for 3pm, for which descriptions of the suspects were to be made public in advance, and so further suppression was pointless, or the BBC genuinely didn't know the descriptions until the Police provided them just ahead of the media briefing.

The BBC will have altered there report many times, and Jerry's link only enables you to see the 10th amendment or 11th version of this story. If you had checked the story before about 2.30pm yesterday, you would indeed have concluded that the descriptions were still being omitted, despite having been known by 'Internal Security' 24 hours earlier.

https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1194859/diff/2/3

[Gullscorer]

[madgull]

The source is people I know who supported Brexit, most notably the Facebook economists

See the thing about volatility and fluctuation is that is CAN be due to Brexit, because that's how markets work - people essentially bet on how well they think the economy is going to do based on current events. Hence the initial shock, which was then tempered by the Bank of England's statement that they were going to inject £250bn into the economy. (I dunno how many years of EU membership could have been paid for with that.) It's a stupid, stupid way for a monetary system to work, and I don't at all agree with it, but unfortunately that's what we have to deal with - the markets ARE flighty. My favourite bit of The Morning After was the announcement that we'd been overtaken by France as the 5th largest economy in the world due to the pound devaluing.

I don't think the sky is gonna fall in, in fact here's what I'm pretty sure will happen:

- The UK triggers Article 50 at some point next year. TM gives some great speeches about battling for Britain, or something like that. Lots of bluster is made about 'negotiations'. TM comes back from Brussels and says she has 'struck a deal' that she 'worked hard for'. The irony of the echoes of David Cameron's 'deal' is lost on most people.

- It turns out that we've still got free trade, freedom of movement, and are still bound by EU law. There will be some small differences, maybe an 'opt-out' on weights and measures or something, to keep the Brexiters happy. Oohh actually an 'immigration threshold' for unskilled EU workers coming into the country at which point we can activate an 'emergency brake' like with benefits, except it'll be at a ludicrously high number that we never reach. Of course, given that most people overestimate immigration levels by 400%, everyone will think this is us winning. "Of course we knew we'd have to compromise, we never said we wouldn't," says Boris. "oh, well, we pay a few fees here and there, for the administration of it all, but nothing like as much as we did. The NHS? Well, we never said directly that we'd spend the money there, and I wasn't involved in that decision anyway..."

As much as I agree with Remain, it's for very different reason to the slippery little buggers at the top. They know what they want, and how to get it, so they'll GET what they want. The gravy train is theirs to ride. Nigel and Boris are just as much a part of it as the rest of them, don't you believe otherwise.

Now, if Jeremy Corbyn manages to survive long enough to stand in 2020, Brexit may inadvertently be one of the best things to happen to Britain, as we'll able to implement FAR more socialist policies than if we were still in the EU. However, like I just said, the establishment know what they want and how to get it, so don't be surprised when he's tragically knocked off his bicycle by a car when the opinion polls show just how ridiculous the 'unelectable' tag is.

So maybe I should thank you and your cronies, Gullscorer, for giving me more hope for Socialist Britain than I've had in a long time! :~D

[Dave]

Don't think any of this has heightened the chance of a socialist Britain at all. The latest opinion poll taken since May became PM has put the Tories now 11 points ahead, which would mean if the public actually voted that way in an election the Tories would win by a landslide with 371, to Labours 130 MP'S .

Considering we're looking at a government that's driven through austerity, and is supposed to be the most unpopular since Thatcher, that tells all we need to know about the Corbyn led Labour party.

If the government accepts full freedom of movement , which I think they will not, then what do you or anyone else really think is going to happen up around Northern Britain ?

They're not going to shrug their collective shoulders and say; Oh well lets all start voting Labour again, they'll turn to UKIP, Britain First, BNP and others.