The European Union: We're out...!!!

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The European Union: In or Out?

Poll ended at 07 Aug 2016, 15:29

1. The UK should stay in the EU.
100
30%
2. The UK should leave the EU.
235
70%
 
Total votes: 335

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Post by Fred Perry »

Thank god the UK voted to leave.

What sort of EU did the " remoaners " want anyway ?.

Probably more uncontrolled immigration, where wages can be driven down , more homeless etc etc.
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Peaceful candlelit vigil by Remainers tonight (Wednesday): 'Exeter Labour party members will be mourning Article 50 triggering by lighting candles4EU outside the Guildhall at 6pm.' A very provocative action likely to cause a breach of the peace.
'Do come along,' said the Labour MP for Exeter Ben Bradshaw.

I was thinking of going along to express my support, for Brexit, peacefully of course.
In the event I was unable to attend, which is perhaps just as well. I can imagine who would have been more likely to be arrested by our politically correct, feminist trained, Marxist-liberal-led police. Peacefully, of course..
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Fred Perry wrote: 27 Mar 2017, 23:03 Thank god the UK voted to leave.

What sort of EU did the " remoaners " want anyway ?.

Probably more uncontrolled immigration, where wages can be driven down , more homeless etc etc.
you must be a Daily Mail reader :na:

i'm kidding, as it is the go to argument of the left, well, that and shouting racist over and over.
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Gullscorer wrote: 29 Mar 2017, 23:37 Peaceful candlelit vigil by Remainers tonight (Wednesday): 'Exeter Labour party members will be mourning Article 50 triggering by lighting candles4EU outside the Guildhall at 6pm.' A very provocative action likely to cause a breach of the peace.
'Do come along,' said the Labour MP for Exeter Ben Bradshaw.

I was thinking of going along to express my support, for Brexit, peacefully of course.
In the event I was unable to attend, which is perhaps just as well. I can imagine who would have been more likely to be arrested by our politically correct, feminist trained, Marxist-liberal-led police. Peacefully, of course..
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70% majority here want to leave the EU, my my, how against the grain we are at TUFC, according to the remoaners if we held another referundum the vote would heavily swing in favour of staying in the EU, i think Blair's thought's on this would been responsible for that swing...lol
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Some business people are pleading not to kick out the EU migrants (as if the UK Government are going to do that) because exploiting them is what keeps them in business.. With which the Labour Party seems to agree. Strange..
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Gullscorer wrote: 02 Apr 2017, 10:53 Some business people are pleading not to kick out the EU migrants (as if the UK Government are going to do that) because exploiting them is what keeps them in business.. With which the Labour Party seems to agree. Strange..
As you say strange. There are something like 1.6 million registered unemployed and many more EU immigrants in this country in work. What employers want is to maintain a permanent pool of high unemployment, they dread the day when vacancies outnumber workers.
And the employers answer to this? Bloody pert a manger offering to pay British teenagers in **** sandwiches if they work for the company during the holidays.
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Plainmoor78 wrote: 02 Apr 2017, 16:15 As you say strange. There are something like 1.6 million registered unemployed and many more EU immigrants in this country in work. What employers want is to maintain a permanent pool of high unemployment, they dread the day when vacancies outnumber workers.
And the employers answer to this? Bloody pert a manger offering to pay British teenagers in **** sandwiches if they work for the company during the holidays.
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If there are any remaining doubters, or doubting remainers, try this from a commenter on Breitbart. I couldn't have put it better myself (well, perhaps I could.. :) ):

'It was always clear there are huge economic benefits from a quick Brexit.

Big business, the economics profession, the state bureaucracy, the political elite, the globalists, the lobbying and polling industries, the media and the Bank of England were self serving liars and propagandists dancing to the political tune that benefitted them.

We stop paying a net £70billion membership fee over the next five years to Brussels. http://researchbriefings.fi... .
Every single penny of that £70billion would have to be borrowed, added to our state debt of £1.7 trillion and from the first minute adding interest to that debt, a double whammy.

We can say no to millions of low wage , low skill EU immigrants who are depressing wages of low paid British workers and creating chaos in state services such as the NHS and education .

We now know there are 700,000 EU immigrant children educated in the UK at a cost of £4 billion a year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/....

630000 EU nationals were given new NI numbers in the year to December, 209000 to Bulgarians and Romanians. https://www.gov.uk/governme... These 630,000 will bring 200,000 dependents meaning the true EU immigration figure is 830,000 https://www.gov.uk/governme... They will also add to the birth rate whilst here.

MigrationWatch says Brexit would cut net immigration by 100,000 a year , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/... .
NI data suggests the cut would be substantially higher than that and would relieve pressure on hospitals, schools, infrastructure, jobs, wages and state finances.

We now know that 75% of EU immigrants who come here to work and live would have been refused entry by the non EU immigrant point system because they are low paid workers with a median wage of £8 an hour http://www.express.co.uk/ne....

We know that up to 45% of EU immigrants take in work or out of work benefits https://www.gov.uk/governme... and low paid EU immigrants now take £3 billion in work benefits a year, 10% of the total paid in the UK, proving they are low paid, high benefit workers http://uk.reuters.com/artic...

We also know that 75% of all new jobs are taken by EU immigrants http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

We get out of the protectionist and bureaucratic common agricultural policy, allowing us to recoup the £50 billion opportunity cost of CAP membership that we will incur over the next five years, for example by sourcing cheaper food from the rest of the world through free trade treaties instead of applying high EU tariffs.
http://openeurope.org.uk/in...
http://www.express.co.uk/ne...

We get back our UK fishing grounds, 70% handed over to the EU, gaining us £15 billion over the next five years. http://www.efddgroup.eu/ima...

We set our own trade treaties and exit the protectionist and bureaucratic single market which costs business tens of billions of pounds a year and which have saddled us with a £89 billion annual trade deficit with the EU, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/... , despite proof that EU setting our trade treaties and the single market are bad for British business. http://www.civitas.org.uk/c... .

We will continue to have major foreign direct investment into the UK. The $830 billion Norwegian sovereign fund says it might invest more after Brexit http://www.breitbart.com/lo... HSBC will stay , Honda, Hitachi, Toyota, Nissan, Vauxhall will all stay here, Avon has just announced it is setting up its global HQ in the UK so it's not worried about Brexit.

Neither are 73% of Chief Financial Officers who say Brexit will not affect their UK investment decisions. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03...

As for the City, there's growing consensus there that it will prosper outside the EU! Away from EU power grabs. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/... . Deutsche Boerse is so relaxed about potential Brexit it wants to merge with the London Stock Exchange.

We can set our own energy policy instead of following the costly carbon emissions laws set by the EU.
The EU is collapsing economically because of a dysfunctional currency, protectionism and bureaucracy, it's got deflation and minimal economic growth, why attach ourselves to,that economic carcass?

So Brexit will benefit Britain economically, business costs will fall, global business will still invest here, food prices will fall, we will get the controlled immigration we need, state spending will fall, we set our trade treaties and we are freed from single market bureaucracy.'

And this doesn't even touch upon the anti-democratic autocratic nature of the EU, and the fact that in a few years' time it will no longer exist, certainly in its present form.
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So we're leaving, or are we? The EU has recently set its stall out and expects the UK to carry on paying in massive amounts of cash to cover the EU's pension fund amongst other things. The EU also expects us to allow the relatives of migrants already living in this country the right to come and live here; that means we could never regain control of immigration. If the EU get their way then what was the point of the referendum?
OK you say if they won't give us a good deal then we will quit with no deal at all. Given the flabby performance of Theresa May in this general election I do not think she is the right person to lead us into negotiations or is able to stand up to Brussels.
Brexiters cried foul when Remainers called for a referendum on any deal secured by the government, but I think it may not just be the Remainers who are left feeling peeved off by the outcome of Brexit.
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Post by Dave »

The thing to remember here is, Brexit has not happened yet, the EU can say the UK must do this and pay that, that's a negotiating position, the same as the UK saying we wont pay this and do that.

Neither side hold all the cards, despite all their bluster, do does anyone really think Germany will risk 750,000 export jobs, will the three largest Eurozone economies Germany, France and Italy want to see their cars and wines etc more expensive to the British consumer than their global rivals, who could potentially do a free trade deal with the UK, no, I really don't think they will.

Both sides will have to give some ground, but what shouldn't passed up here, is chance for country to open itself up to the whole world, rather than remain married to the EU, which is crumbling both as an economic and political force.
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