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I am surprised that some appear offended by Meres's effervescent spirit which cannot, it appears, be suppressed. If you don't think his personality is bubbly, it certainly is not full of gas! The information he provides to this forum is more often than not very factual and informative and that has to be beneficial to the 'cause'. We all appear to be 'singing off the same hymn sheet' but as soon as Merse sings a different tune, then suddenly all hell breaks loose.

So is Merse bloody minded? well he takes no prisoners that's for sure and whilst his approach on this forum may be tough, on some occasions, I'm sure you'll find he's really a sweetheart inside.
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MellowYellow wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 00:12 So is Merse bloody minded? well he takes no prisoners that's for sure and whilst his approach on this forum may be tough, on some occasions, I'm sure you'll find he's really a sweetheart inside.
Ahh; that's nice to wake up to and sets me up for the morning school run ~ no car for my two youngest, I walk and 'Tube' it to their mum's home and they walk it to school with me before I set off home again by bus. Three times a week; it's a good routine for an elderly gentleman who finds the whole affair stimulating especially if it leads to a coffee/breakfast in the park on the way home with a fellow 'schoolgater' or two.

Am I bloody minded? Well yes I am when commenting on a club that has been in my heart from the age of the infant school (nearly sixty years then!) that has abjectly failed to put in the very necessary revenue streams that were in place when I worked for them (1974-1983) and should be even more important now than they were then in view of the loss of extra-curricular income from being a member of the EFL.

That's why I hold such a poor view of benefactors (for their poor judgement) and relying on them (as a lazy option) as such. Whilst the board of Tony Boyce stood guarantor and underwrote any losses such as they were in those days; they were not in any shape or form negating their duty to employ management who were responsible for bringing in such revenue.

After 'my time'; Mike Bateson was no benefactor and ran a tight ship as befits a man who went from being a lumberjack to 'window entrepreneur' ~ and a very wealthy one at that. Once described as 'the only millionaire who turned his hot water off at night'; that wasn't meaness it wasn't parsimony; it was the common sense inbred into a working class man who had worked hard for his wealth. When he departed the Plainmoor scene it was through exhaustion and he re-couped a decent enough sum to recompense for all that capital injection he had put in.

Yes; his first attempt to unload the burden fell on contaminated ground but he had been cute enough to be able to retrieve that situation and sold on to a board who got off to a spectacular start (as indeed he had years before) but never; ever put in those revenue streams relying instead on the benevolence of the Bristows to underpin the whole shebang.

THAT'S what fuels my fire; that and the nodding donkey acceptance that benevolence is the right and acceptable path to follow without realising that it is finite and vulnerable to emotion as we all saw so brutally when Thea Bristow understandably decided enough was enough and the slippery Kelvin Thomas came in with a predatorial eye; supposedly to 'help' her and ultimately to walk away.

I returned to this forum with the intention of maximising awareness of the dangers and possible fatal consequences of being involved with the Clarke Osborne organisation; and now an older and more cantancourous man with a curmudgeonly disregard for the niceties of social chit-chat, I upset and offend those who are thin skinned and so over anxious to be all believing of first impressions.

I am not cowed by fear of intimidation, nor hold any fondness or respect for the traditional excitement this nation appears to have for military adventurism and imperialist interference even though there is no empire to 'protect' ~ and don't even get me started on the rape of natural resources of that sick policy. I am an avowed Socialist with respect for social responsibility over profit; I know that too alienates me with many, but (hey) that's me.

I'm here like a bear with a sore head about many things and if you don't like what you read then just scroll on becasue it is ~ as ever ~ a free world!
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It certainly is a free world. And aren't we lucky for that!!

So stop belittling everyone else's post that may not follow your rule book and continue to state Facts and people may actually read your dribble you clearly spent ages writing.
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merse btpir wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 06:48 Ahh; that's nice to wake up to and sets me up for the morning school run ~ no car for my two youngest, I walk and 'Tube' it to their mum's home and they walk it to school with me before I set off home again by bus. Three times a week; it's a good routine for an elderly gentleman who finds the whole affair stimulating especially if it leads to a coffee/breakfast in the park on the way home with a fellow 'schoolgater' or two.

Am I bloody minded? Well yes I am when commenting on a club that has been in my heart from the age of the infant school (nearly sixty years then!) that has abjectly failed to put in the very necessary revenue streams that were in place when I worked for them (1974-1983) and should be even more important now than they were then in view of the loss of extra-curricular income from being a member of the EFL.

That's why I hold such a poor view of benefactors (for their poor judgement) and relying on them (as a lazy option) as such. Whilst the board of Tony Boyce stood guarantor and underwrote any losses such as they were in those days; they were not in any shape or form negating their duty to employ management who were responsible for bringing in such revenue.

After 'my time'; Mike Bateson was no benefactor and ran a tight ship as befits a man who went from being a lumberjack to 'window entrepreneur' ~ and a very wealthy one at that. Once described as 'the only millionaire who turned his hot water off at night'; that wasn't meaness it wasn't parsimony; it was the common sense inbred into a working class man who had worked hard for his wealth. When he departed the Plainmoor scene it was through exhaustion and he re-couped a decent enough sum to recompense for all that capital injection he had put in.

Yes; his first attempt to unload the burden fell on contaminated ground but he had been cute enough to be able to retrieve that situation and sold on to a board who got off to a spectacular start (as indeed he had years before) but never; ever put in those revenue streams relying instead on the benevolence of the Bristows to underpin the whole shebang.

THAT'S what fuels my fire; that and the nodding donkey acceptance that benevolence is the right and acceptable path to follow without realising that it is finite and vulnerable to emotion as we all saw so brutally when Thea Bristow understandably decided enough was enough and the slippery Kelvin Thomas came in with a predatorial eye; supposedly to 'help' her and ultimately to walk away.

I returned to this forum with the intention of maximising awareness of the dangers and possible fatal consequences of being involved with the Clarke Osborne organisation; and now an older and more cantancourous man with a curmudgeonly disregard for the niceties of social chit-chat, I upset and offend those who are thin skinned and so over anxious to be all believing of first impressions.

I am not cowed by fear of intimidation, nor hold any fondness or respect for the traditional excitement this nation appears to have for military adventurism and imperialist interference even though there is no empire to 'protect' ~ and don't even get me started on the rape of natural resources of that sick policy. I am an avowed Socialist with respect for social responsibility over profit; I know that too alienates me with many, but (hey) that's me.

I'm here like a bear with a sore head about many things and if you don't like what you read then just scroll on becasue it is ~ as ever ~ a free world!
The world is made up all sorts of different people , some quiet , some loud , some appear rude and some people just bloody minded. I work partly with the general public and often the people that appear at first rude or ignorant actually turn out the best people you could ever hope to meet. Also the other way around , the nicest ones always end up shitting on you. I'm not getting involved in any personal spat but all I know is people sub consciously can appear different when you actually get to know them.
Off subject but I'm totally interested in merses time at the club and how it was run and the differences between now and then. Must be many differences. Did you go to every game ? Where did you sit or stand. How did it all end ? The world record own goal by Kruse ? Was you there ?
Best players that never made it and why not ? I know merse before you have said some things that were confidential should stay that way but please help yourself when you want to share these experiences I'm for one is fasininated by them years you were at club. Sorry fellow gulls posters for going off topic. Happy postings
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MellowYellow wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 00:12 I am surprised that some appear offended by Meres's effervescent spirit which cannot, it appears, be suppressed. If you don't think his personality is bubbly, it certainly is not full of gas! The information he provides to this forum is more often than not very factual and informative and that has to be beneficial to the 'cause'. We all appear to be 'singing off the same hymn sheet' but as soon as Merse sings a different tune, then suddenly all hell breaks loose.

So is Merse bloody minded? well he takes no prisoners that's for sure and whilst his approach on this forum may be tough, on some occasions, I'm sure you'll find he's really a sweetheart inside.
Merse is an invaluable character on here and is clearly on the ball, personally I like his no nonsense frankness, absolutely! His awareness is essential, his input certainly keeps the thread engaging.
Back to the thread,
My main point sadly is I just can’t see what difference our concerns make as CO will do what he wants and no matter how much we worry there is nothing we can do apart from be there to pick up the pieces. If you think we have an influence I would like to know.
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It may well be futile in the long run BUT do any of us really want to lose the club we love without putting up a fight?

The only influence we can have is to make sure everyone that supports the club are aware of what Osbornes game is. My biggest concern has always been that if he can stitch up a club like Bristol Rovers with their support, what chance do we have? For that reason alone we all need to start singing from the same hymnsheet. I've never been a fan of any TRUST, but I feel the only way forward is to support them every way we possibly can.

I was "approached" at Shrewsbury years ago by someone from the TRUST at the time and he reminded me of the old bully boys from the trade unions of yesteryear. Telling me what I should be doing only resulted in him being told what I would do to him if he didn't feck off out of my face and I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that way about Trusts. I definitely feel that the current TRUST is too quiet and not proactive enough in getting things done. Maybe I'm wrong but to me they seem faceless and pointless at the moment. More engagement on social media is definitely needed and the profile is definitely in need of being raised.

This is probably the first time I've ever considered becoming a member but where are they? Jerry and Hector are probably the only two members that continually mention them, a post every few months from Michael Golbourne wasn't cutting it for me no matter how well intentioned he may or may not have been.
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the problem we have is that there are some big girls blouses (BGB's) on this forum that take offence at anything. ( I am allowed to say BGB?)

anyway, I see merse as a fountain of knowledge.... the same - (I grudgingly say) for Dave,SouthamptonGull.
Without these two on this forum and a few others we wouldn't have a clue what was going on FFS.
Yes, merse can be a tad "confrontational" but what he does say/share are predominantly correct.
I believe that some posters on here do not recognise his long standing association, passion and desire for TUFC to be successful.
Posters need to realise that its black and white with Merse - hes a bit like a Yorkshireman!
if he gives you stick - give it him back - and don't go running off to yer ma telling tales.....
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SuperNickyWroe wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 10:51 Posters need to realise that its black and white with Merse - hes a bit like a Yorkshireman! if he gives you stick - give it him back - and don't go running off to yer ma telling tales.....
Thanks; and if you're the type who salutes as a cannon ball is coming at you and demand that those under you do the same without question, don't expect the subordination that you are used to; expect an argument!
Southampton Gull wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 10:44It may well be futile in the long run BUT do any of us really want to lose the club we love without putting up a fight? The only influence we can have is to make sure everyone that supports the club are aware of what Osbornes game is.
Dave is right; we need to be loud and we need to alert the whole of the support and community to what is happening and we need to do it without those who buy the company line expecting us to shut up.

We won't shut up because if we do, we lose our club anyway!
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I don't think there's much chance of either of us shutting up :)

It amazes me that fools like Mark Horler are still spouting off their support of Osborne on social media despite all the evidence of his previous dealings with sporting clubs.
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Southampton Gull wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 11:26 I don't think there's much chance of either of us shutting up :)

It amazes me that fools like Mark Horler are still spouting off their support of Osborne on social media despite all the evidence of his previous dealings with sporting clubs.
well there's always going to be "one or two" like that Dave. :}
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If we can’t talk directly and honestly on a fans’ forum then God help us. I for one wouldn’t want Merse to change his style or feel he has to be delicate, why should he? Our club is in a dark place, has been for a while now, and we need to speak openly about how we see it. I am old enough to remember what happened to Bristol Rovers when our delightful current owner shafted them and forced them to play in Bath. I am astonished that some fans appear to trust this man, I don’t.
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I am new to posting on this forum, but have read it for a number of years.

There seems to be a lot of opinion, point scoring, no doubt informed facts BUT I am very interested in finding out from the regulars( Merse, Southampton, Yorkie Andy, Not Now, Forever,Goodie 2449, MellowYellow etc. etc)
what is their own preferred solution to the current situation
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I, for one, couldn't give two monkeys if people on here think Merse is 'outspoken'. I don't know him. Have never met him. But I read everything he posts on here because without his (and others) insight into some of the goings on at Plainmoor none of us would be any the wiser. And it should make no difference as to his location. So, he's in London, that makes him one of hundreds of exiles (myself included) that no longer live in or have any affiliation with the 'Bay... but we still have a passion for OUR club.

Our club is in a dark place right now and it doesn't look to be getting any brighter any time soon, so with this in mind we all need to forget about any petty differences we have with any posters on here (or any other Torquay forum) and concentrate on what is important.

Sure, some posters think going down the phoenix club route is the only option available to us. It's not. If we can bombard the powers-that-be who hold our club's future in their hands (the council primarily as I understand it) with our concerns over the future of OUR club and show just how passionate and loyal we are to what should be an asset to the 'Bay then maybe, just maybe, Osborne and his cronies will see no point sticking around waiting for a freehold that is not going to be for sale and disappear from whence they came. And, no, I'm not sure what the consequences of that will be.
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Eastdevongull wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 12:22 I am very interested in finding out from the regulars( Merse, Southampton, Yorkie Andy, Not Now, Forever,Goodie 2449, MellowYellow etc. etc) what is their own preferred solution to the current situation
That a joint community/private enterprise bid can be put togther to make it viable for Osborne to see that there will be no point sticking around waiting for a freehold that is not going to be for sale; but this will take intense lobbying and effort to achieve.

Whilst wishing for that; I am under no illusion that where this has happened elsewhere in the football world ~ take Hereford and Portsmouth as examples ~ the supporters will have to take on board that it will be the private equity that will demand and procure the majority shareholding (even if it is only 51:49%) and that the starting price for buying out Osborne right now is more than likely somethwere around half a million.

Also what has to be clearly understood it is that it not viable to be a tenant of Osborne in any shape or form. Not in any hypothetical (for that is all he ever achieves) new stadium with him sitting nicely with the freehold of Plainmoor; nor at Plainmoor with him as the landlord!
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merse btpir wrote: 10 Jan 2018, 12:49 That a joint community/private enterprise bid can be put togther to make it viable for Osborne to see that there will be no point sticking around waiting for a freehold that is not going to be for sale; but this will take intense lobbying and effort to achieve.

Whilst wishing for that; I am under no illusion that where this has happened elsewhere in the football world ~ take Hereford and Portsmouth as examples ~ the supporters will have to take on board that it will be the private equity that will demand and procure the majority shareholding (even if it is only 51:49%) and that the starting price for buying out Osborne right now is more than likely somethwere around half a million.

Also what has to be clearly understood it is that it not viable to be a tenant of Osborne in any shape or form. Not in any hypothetical (for that is all he ever achieves) new stadium with him sitting nicely with the freehold of Plainmoor; nor at Plainmoor with him as the landlord!
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