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So, I have this photo from the press association in my home office. Although not old enough, apparently its Sammy Colllins v Orient in the 50's. Anyone want to hazard a guess of the score and attendance to agree with what I think it is (which im not going to say) . The historical kits site helped me out there.
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numpte wrote: 21 Jun 2017, 12:50 So, I have this photo from the press association in my home office. Although not old enough, apparently its Sammy Colllins v Orient in the 50's. Anyone want to hazard a guess of the score and attendance to agree with what I think it is (which im not going to say) . The historical kits site helped me out there.
I assume that is Plainmoor (photo a bit small to be sure). If your info is correct re Leyton Orient there are 5 possibilities (50/51 Collins didn't play in the fixture and 56/57 (the season we finished 2nd on goal average) Leyton Orient were in the league higher having finished 1st in 3(South) the year before. So that leaves:
51/52 Drew 1-1 6452
52/53 Won 5-0 6223
53/54 Lost 2-3 6296
54/55 Lost 2-7 6384 Sam Collins
55/56 Lost 1-3 9530 Sam Collins scored our goal - Leyton Orient PROMOTED

A few seasons later Leyton Orient were in the 1st Division (now Premier) and we were in the new 4th Division (now League 2). The same difference in league status applied between ourselves and Ipswich Town who had pipped us to the 3 (South) title in 56/57, although Ipswich did even better winning the 1st Division championship in 1962.
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Good work Stefano. From there you can eliminate scores for 54/55 and 55/56 because we were playing in our blue and gold strip by then.
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Plainmoor78 wrote: 22 Jun 2017, 11:25 Good work Stefano. From there you can eliminate scores for 54/55 and 55/56 because we were playing in our blue and gold strip by then.
Thanks of course should have thought of that.

Except in the Leeds cup tie 2-2 at Elland Road and a thumping 4-0 win at Plainmoor. We reverted to the white and black strip then. Not sure why and don't know Leeds colours at the time, other than it wasn't white.
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That's actually Brisbane Road and the stand in the background is the West (Osborne Road) Stand.

I would say that's a game in the 1953-54 season with the clubs in their normal kits for that season:


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After the Second World War Clapton Orient and their predominantly white and red colours were rebranded as Leyton Orient playing in blue and white. The club had moved to Leyton from Clapton ( a distance of about two miles) in 1937, though again there was another team called Leyton F.C. who had previously played at Brisbane Road but had to move out to the nearby Hare & Hounds ground on Lea Bridge Road just a few hundred yards from where the Orient had moved in from. A further rename back to simply Orient took place in 1966 after the Borough of Leyton (in Essex) was absorbed into the London Borough of Waltham Forest and a change back in colours to red and white. They reverted back to Leyton Orient in 1987.

The Leyton FC club was founded in 1868, and disbanded several times (late 1890s, 1911, 1914 and 2011) in its history. In 1975 the club merged with Wingate F.C. to become Leyton-Wingate F.C., until 1992 when the two clubs parted company and the name reverted to Leyton. In 1995 the club merged with Walthamstow Pennant and moved away from the Hare & Hounds to become Leyton Pennant F.C., now known as Waltham Forest.

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The Hare & Grounds as it looks today ~ Waltham Forest now play at Wadham Lodge
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stefano wrote: 22 Jun 2017, 12:34
Except in the Leeds cup tie 2-2 at Elland Road and a thumping 4-0 win at Plainmoor. We reverted to the white and black strip then. Not sure why and don't know Leeds colours at the time, other than it wasn't white.
Ironically in 1954/55, the year we changed to gold and blue, Leeds were using a virtually identical kit. Obviously we would have used our change colours at elland rd, I can only assume that Leeds were unaware of the need to bring a change strip for the replay and we played in white again.
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merse btpir wrote: 22 Jun 2017, 12:39 A further rename back to simply Orient took place in 1966 after the Borough of Leyton (in Essex) was absorbed into the London Borough of Waltham Forest
Moving around East London & links to Clarke Osborne!

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The Lea Bridge Stadium

The move to Lea Bridge Road from their old ground ~ the magnificent Millfield Road Stadium in Clapton took the Orient from the East End of London to Essex as the boundary of the 'East End' has always been the River Lea. The creations of the London Boroughs of Waltham Forest (including Leyton) and Newham (incorporating East Ham, and West Ham) created East London and it always gets on my tits when Dave Thomas relentlessly describes matches as Leyton Orient and Dagenham as playing in the 'East End'......... they never have been in the East End and they don't do 'knees ups' there either David!

It was the Lea Bridge Stadium that Torquay United complained about as being of insufficient space between touchline and greyhound running rail and led to Orient needing to move out and play briefly at Wembley before locating to Brisbane Road.

Lea Bridge Stadium, seen above in 1933, was built on the site of the Lea Bridge Gardens shanty town in 1928; it opened on 14th July that year. 'The Bridge', as it was known, initially ~ eat your hearts out Chelsea ~ hosted speedway and was home to the Clapton Saints speedway team. From 1930 it was also used by Clapton Orient football club. At the time that Orient moved to the ground, spectator facilities included a covered stand on the southern side of the ground and embankments around the remainder. The Football League notified that no more matches could be played until the ground was improved. Improvements were later made to the ground, including a covered stand on the northern touchline and concrete terracing on the west, north and eastern sides of the stadium. The works increased the capacity to around 20,000, and Orient's record League crowd of 20,400 was set on 13th March 1937 when Millwall were beaten 1–0. In 1937 Clapton Orient moved to Osborne Road, Leyton, and were renamed Leyton Orient after WW2. The Lea Bridge Stadium was largely demolished by the early 1950s with the exception of the main stand which survived into the 1970s. In this view the northern ends of the station platforms are seen with Lee Bridge Junction and signal box in the centre of the picture. At the bottom the cast stone works is seen with four sidings running into the works.

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Lea Bridge Station lay derelict on the Lea Bridge Road
until being re-opened last year


Having lain dormant for so many years the restored station now serves the public on the newly established Tottenham Hale-Stratford line.

Millfields as it was widely known was as imply magnificent ground......

In 1896 Clapton Orient moved to the site from Pond Land Bridge, after which it became known as Millfields Road. The football club began redeveloping the stadium, with large embankments built around the pitch using slag from an adjacent power station. Clapton Orient were elected to the Second Division of the Football League in 1905, and the first Football League was played at the ground on 9th September 1905, with Orient beating Hull City 1–0 in front of 3,000 spectators. In 1906 the first covered spectator facility was provided, when a 2,000-seat grandstand was built. This stand was sold to Wimbledon to use at their Plough Lane ground in 1923 and some of you might have sat in that. It was replaced by a 3,000-seat stand.

Orient set their record League attendance at the ground on 16th March 1929 when 37,615 saw them lose 3–2 to Tottenham Hotspur. However, the club were in financial trouble at the end of the 1920s and were forced to leave the ground, moving to the Lea Bridge Stadium. Their last match at the ground was a 4–1 win over Brighton on 3rd May 1930 with 8,763 in attendance.

In 1927 the Clapton Stadium Syndicate became joint tenants, and major alterations were made to the ground to allow for greyhound racing, costing over £80,000. An oval track was installed around the football pitch, with covered concrete terracing laid on the three sides away from the main stand. The new layout was designed by Owen Williams, and the ground became London's fourth greyhound track, staging its first meeting on 7th April 1928.

In 1928 the track hosted a new race over 400 yards that gained classic status called the Scurry Gold Cup. In 1930 the stadium opened its first restaurant and the stands were renovated becoming covered stands. The first Managing Director was H.Garland Wells who was joint vice president of the National Greyhound Racing Society and the company were called Clapton Stadium Ltd and also owned Reading (later owned by one Clarke Osborne!), and later South Shields and Warrington. Clapton was described as a small difficult course with short straights (76 yards) and easy bends on a circumference of 359 yards with the hare system being a 'Centre Scott Magee Silent'. The nearby training quarters at Claverhambury Farm in Waltham Abbey had two hundred acres of grassland in rural surroundings with six resident trainers and six ranges of kennels with each range having a five acre plot for exercising.......so all in all it was quite a business venture!

In 1934 the track was represented in the 1934 English Greyhound Derby final by Wild Woolley locally trained by Harry Woolner and Joe Coral (Gala Coral Group) was a bookmaker at the track before his Empire grew. A second Derby final appearance by arrived in the 1938 English Greyhound Derby after Demotic Mack finished fifth for trainer Charles Cross. The same greyhound then emulated the feat one year later finishing third this time.
In 1939 the greyhound track underwent improvements and a second restaurant was built.

The stadium closed for short periods during the war but was still able to race at other times. The appointment of trainer Stanley Biss from West Ham Stadium was a success, he trained greyhounds called Local Interprize and Rimmells Black. Local Interprize a black dog went onto win the Welsh Greyhound Derby, the Gold Collar twice, the Cesarewitch, Scurry Gold Cup and reached the English Derby final twice. Garland-Wells died in 1948 and the stadium established notable events called the Metropolitan Cup, National Sprint, London Cup & National Open Hurdles.

In 1952 Clapton appointed trainer Jimmy Jowett from Warrington and there was another Derby final appearance with the Tom Smith trained Paddys Dinner. In 1953 the Director of Racing was Eric Godfrey (latere associated wth Bristol Rovers and the ultimate exit from Eastville (another Clarke Osborne link there) and the Racing Manager was Mr H.J Richardson and the six resident trainers were John Snowball, Arch Whitcher, Clare Orton, Jimmy Jowett, Gordon Nicholson and Tom Smith. Also in 1953 a new lighting system was installed.

The stadium won its first Derby crown in 1956 after the Paddy McEvoy trained Dunmore King prevailed and five years later Palms Printer won the Derby claiming a second win for Paddy McEvoy. Dromin Glory was voted 1962 Greyhound of the year and a third Derby title in 1963 went to the John Bassett trained Lucky Boy Boy.

During 1963 Clapton Stadiums Ltd scrapped evening starting times in an attempt to stop the bookmaker shops from being able to take advantage of their off course betting following the introduction of the Betting and Gaming Act 1960 and in the same year the track hosted Pinewood Studios as they shot scenes for a new film starring Rita Tushingham and Mike Sarne called Bethnal Green.

The company sold Slough Stadium to the Greyhound Racing Association (GRA) in 1966 and the Clapton shareholders contemplated a bid from GRA which included Clapton Stadium, two training sites with 180 acres and an interest in the West Ham site. The deal went ahead later that year. Clapton was the first track to install a closed-circuit television race patrol camera in 1967 that was able to replay the races to the public.
The GRA and in particular the GRA Property Trust were actively selling prime areas of land to developers and there was uncertainty surrounding the track and it was dealt a blow when in 1968 all of the greyhounds were relocated to the Northaw Kennels from the Clapton kennels at Claverhambury Farm. Despite the sale of the kennels trainers Adam Jackson and Paddy Keane both secured Derby wins with Chittering Clapton and Faithful Hope respectively. A sixth Derby crown was won by the track when a greyhound with superstar status called Patricias Hope won 1972 English Greyhound Derby.

In 1969 the GRA sold the track to what was effectively a redevelopment company. The sale of the popular track caused much upset regardless of the fact that there were no immediate plans for closing. On 1st January 1974 the stadium closed and was later demolished making way for the Millfields housing estate in the early 1980s and leaving the now also closed 'Art Deco' stadium in nearby Walthamstow as the ever popular location to go dog racing in that part of London and the nearby stadium at Hackney Wick which now lays under the Olympic Park development.


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merse btpir wrote: 22 Jun 2017, 12:39 That's actually Brisbane Road and the stand in the background is the West (Osborne Road) Stand.

I would say that's a game in the 1953-54 season with the clubs in their normal kits for that season:


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A 3-2 defeat with Ron Shaw and Don Mills getting our goals. Attendance 8408.
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Thanks all, based on the leyton orient kit I had it down as a 1-0 away win at Brisbane Road, 15th March, 1952.
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