Brett Williams Leaves

[Chelston TUFC]

I know nothing about how much Torquay pay players but if I'm a part time footballer outside Torquay earning £30k per year in my job and a few hundred pounds per week what's the incentive to come tor Torquay United? I have no idea what we pay players but can't really see how we are to attract a player other than out of local leagues or other full time clubs paying similar money.

[exilegull]

I've just heard who is supposedly replacing Williams. If true people will be pleasantly surprised and I believe it is an improvement.

I won't reveal names - just hope it is true.

[merse btpir]

I know nothing about how much Torquay pay players but if I'm a part time footballer outside Torquay earning £30k per year in my job and a few hundred pounds per week what's the incentive to come tor Torquay United? I have no idea what we pay players but can't really see how we are to attract a player other than out of local leagues or other full time clubs paying similar money.

What we all have to take on board and be aware of is that Torquay United do not have; and have made no attempt to create any football infrastructure whatsoever below it's first team and to the best of my knowledge are unique amongst the National League and more than likely the two regional leagues immediately below it.

Although they are in the opening throes of setting up a quasi youth development framework within the community sports trust there is still no margin available to the manager to recruit anyone but players who can immediately challenge for inclusion in his first team match day squad. That is a fact and the manager himself has used this fact as justification for not only releasing the likes of Charlie Duke and Will Hancox but also for not in any shape or form replacing them and so once again Torquay United go into a season totally denuded outside the nominal 18 or so players they employ.

So there is nowhere within the club structure to accommodate your players who hit thirty or forty goals in local football; nowhere to accommodate players making their way in the game and further develop their potential. It has been ~ and remains to be ~ the most unhealthy footballing structure at it's own level; and the levels below (way down below) where the club currently stands.

[Dazza]

I agree with Chelston. We are currently the third professional club in peripheral Devon. Work pay levels generally are lower than the National level. As many professional players supplement their wage with part time work it's not only what United can afford to pay that's a problem. Sure the area is attractive but for some that's not the powerful clincher it once was.

[merse btpir]

I agree with Chelston. We are currently the third professional club in peripheral Devon. Work pay levels generally are lower than the National level. As many professional players supplement their wage with part time work it's not only what United can afford to pay that's a problem.

Well it is because wherever the club may be located they have to compete with all the other clubs ~ from wherever they may be located ~ on as level a playing field as possible. That they can't is because they have consistently failed to put in place revenue streams that other clubs have managed to do.

Being in Devon does not stop them marketing their off the field facilities within the stadium in a busy and effective manner; putting on a summer revenue raising event in a professional and competent manner without losing money hand over fist. Have their kit marketing strategy up and running in plenty of time to have it active before last season ended. Fail to put in place any initiatives or opportunities that it's location within a tourist resort affords them........these are still deficiencies that have been glaringly obvious within the structure of the club for years yet even though they are now owned by a company that specialises in maximisation of stadium services; they still exist.

[MellowYellow]

I've just heard who is supposedly replacing Williams. If true people will be pleasantly surprised and I believe it is an improvement.

I won't reveal names - just hope it is true.

Is it Rooney? because to say "I've just heard" but "won't reveal" is just clogging up forum space and does not even make the rumour page.

[exilegull]

Is it Rooney? because to say "I've just heard" but "won't reveal" is just clogging up forum space and does not even make the rumour page.

MellowYellow - I'm glad to you asked me this.

I gave a lot of thought to posting - primarily due to the circumstances I heard the information and it is absolutely not my place to reveal any details hence no names, hints etc.. With this is in mind then yes it is somewhat a clogging up - although lets be honest its not the only one.

However, with everything going on there is clearly a lot of doom and gloom around and given we have lost some good players including a proven striker things are looking grim. There is a lot of doubt about whether we can be in anyway attractive financially and whether the manager is capable of identifying and persuading the correct targets to come down. I think a lot of us here wanted Nicholson and the club to forget about the first two thirds of the season and cough up based upon the goals Williams scored in final part of the season. However had we done that, which Williams would we be getting for next season.

The name I have heard was an eye opener - it certainly makes me think the financial constraints and the ability of the manager to attract good quality players is not as bad as some of us feared. Sure one swallow doesn't make a summer but it makes the non retention of Williams look like exactly the correct decision. Nicholson described Williams as a Berbatov like player - which is fairly accurate, a lot of silky skills, but team effort patchy and best and perhaps never quite hit the level he should have done. Well I think we've replaced him with a Van NIstelrooy type player - perhaps not as obviously eye pleasing but works hard, gets goals and achieves - I know who'd I'd prefer. No its not Van Nistelrooy.

I was quite gloomy, now I'm not so much - I wanted to share that sentiment even if I am not willing to share anymore.

[merse btpir]

Is Chris Zebroski in Channings Wood then?

I know he couldn't make away games but then neither could Sean Finch

[westyorkshiregull]

Who is it then. Pointless saying you know something and not sharing
Is it a unknown Known or a known ; unknown or indeed a unknown unknown

[Dave]

Yes, it's a bit like those annoying facebook posts, you know the them (feeling pissed off) oh why what's wrong (can't say) Ladies and gentlemen, there is a rumours sub board, post it in there, if it comes true, you have a scoop, if it doesn't your dignity is left in tact, and your not clogging up the forum.

On the subject of Williams I'm 50/50, yes he is a luxury player, yes our club does have a limited budget, so it becomes difficult to keep him I get that, but all this we must have 11 players on the park giving 100 % running their nuts for 90 minutes every game is real garbage, yes you want your player putting effort in, however if you have a striker that will score 20 goals a season plus, but has a habit of drifting in and out of the game, so what.

A 20 goal a season striker guarantees your team will be sat at the right end of the table, with out Williams our team would have gone down, if your letting him go, you have to be pretty confident of getting a good replacement, here's hoping.

[merse btpir]

A 20 goal a season striker guarantees your team will be sat at the right end of the table

But he's only been a '20 goal a season striker' once (2013-14) in his career and that was at Aldershot.

[stefano]

Seems to be a lot of long posts clogging up the forum telling another poster who had only done one short 32 word post not to clog up the forum!

[torq2u]

So why are you clogging up the forum telling another poster not to clog up the forum by complaining about someone clogging up the forum?

[torq2u]

... Nicholson described Williams as a Berbatov like player - which is fairly accurate, a lot of silky skills, but team effort patchy and best and perhaps never quite hit the level he should have done. Well I think we've replaced him with a [highlight=yellow]Van NIstelrooy [/highlight]type player ...

With our luck, he'll probably do his ACL on his debut!

[stefano]

So why are you clogging up the forum telling another poster not to clog up the forum by complaining about someone clogging up the forum?

=D I didn't want to feel left out