Expectations for next season

Discuss all the latest news at Plainmoor with fellow fans.

What are your expectations for next season?

Poll runs till 31 May 2017, 18:04

Relegation
2
4%
Narrowly avoid relegation (cos it's so fun)
11
21%
Mid-table
22
42%
Mid-table pushing for play-off (a la board)
12
23%
Play-offs
2
4%
Automatic promotion
3
6%
 
Total votes: 52


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Expectations for next season

Post by tomogull » 15 May 2017, 11:54

Merse - your long diatribe above which I haven't ploughed through (life's too short) doesn't answer my response. Now put the money where your mouth is - what is Kevin Nicholson's budget in £££s for next season, and to make it easy for you, tell us in £££s just two National League sides that have smaller budgets than what Nicho is working on.

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Post by Southampton Gull » 15 May 2017, 12:04

I could answer that question, tomo. I'm pretty sure Merse could too but what would be the point? You couldn't prove we were right or wrong and neither could we without getting somebody into trouble. If you choose not to believe something then that's totally your right but that kind of objection has never put me off passing on certain information to other fans and I doubt it will stop Merse either.
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Post by tomogull » 15 May 2017, 12:19

Southampton Gull wrote:
15 May 2017, 12:04
I could answer that question, tomo. I'm pretty sure Merse could too but what would be the point? You couldn't prove we were right or wrong and neither could we without getting somebody into trouble. If you choose not to believe something then that's totally your right but that kind of objection has never put me off passing on certain information to other fans and I doubt it will stop Merse either.
Okay, fair comment. But I tend to take more notice of what you post than someone who told us Steve Tully was about to be appointed manager when GI took over, that ALL United players contracts ended at the end of April and that Nicho would go at the end of the season.


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Post by merse btpir » 15 May 2017, 13:04

tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 11:54
Merse - your long diatribe above which I haven't ploughed through (life's too short) doesn't answer my response. Now put the money where your mouth is - what is Kevin Nicholson's budget in £££s for next season, and to make it easy for you, tell us in £££s just two National League sides that have smaller budgets than what Nicho is working on.
That sort of response is that of a clown ~ you must have the attention span of a gnat ~ read the bloody thing and the answer is there as regards Nicholson's budget.

Whilst your primary objective is just to disrespect and antagonise; don't expect reasoned debate as that is obviously wasted on such as you who choose not to read posts properly.
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Post by merse btpir » 15 May 2017, 13:09

tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 12:19
I tend to take more notice of what you post than someone who told us Steve Tully was about to be appointed manager when GI took over, that ALL United players contracts ended at the end of April and that Nicho would go at the end of the season.
You see there you go again........you 'hear' but you don't listen. When I made my first post on THIS thread on May 12th I wrote: 'at this moment in time just Sam Chaney and Damon Lathrope are secured for next season'. Was that not true then? The reference to Tully was made on BTPIR in relation to Pete Masters proposed takeover of the club (not GI's) and clearly emphasised as being conditional on that point and the end of contract date IS accurate.

Do your homework; seek out where you claim you've seen those things posted exactly as you claim, and then re-produce them to back up your argument.


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Post by tomogull » 15 May 2017, 15:04

merse btpir wrote:
15 May 2017, 13:04
tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 11:54
Merse - your long diatribe above which I haven't ploughed through (life's too short) doesn't answer my response. Now put the money where your mouth is - what is Kevin Nicholson's budget in £££s for next season, and to make it easy for you, tell us in £££s just two National League sides that have smaller budgets than what Nicho is working on.
That sort of response is that of a clown ~ you must have the attention span of a gnat ~ read the bloody thing and the answer is there as regards Nicholson's budget.

Whilst your primary objective is just to disrespect and antagonise; don't expect reasoned debate as that is obviously wasted on such as you who choose not to read posts properly.
All I was asking you to do was to give us proof of what you were claiming. Without writing another chapter of War & Peace, Dave managed to explain succinctly and reasonably in three sentences why you were unable to do this.

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Yesterday, 19:04
There are plenty of clubs operating on lower average gates than Torquay United and several fellow managers having to work on smaller budgets than Kevin Nicholson ~ AND making a better fist of it!

As for your statement about other managers 'making a better fist of it' (managing a smaller budget), we all know that there are other factors to be taken into account when making such a bold statement - i.e. the location of clubs (e.g. clubs near cities have the option of picking up part-time players) and how well the club is being run off the field (as Neal has today posted on another thread). Perhaps this was one of the mistakes that Nicho was admitting to - his lack of experience when working with a budget and drawing up contracts.

Re your other post, do you really expect me, or anyone else, to trawl through your plethora of posts to pick out the bits of fake news? P.S. On a post before 12th May in reply to one of my posts, you stated that NO players were under contract after the end of April.


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Post by threelittlepiglets » 15 May 2017, 15:14

tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 15:04
merse btpir wrote:
15 May 2017, 13:04
tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 11:54
Merse - your long diatribe above which I haven't ploughed through (life's too short) doesn't answer my response. Now put the money where your mouth is - what is Kevin Nicholson's budget in £££s for next season, and to make it easy for you, tell us in £££s just two National League sides that have smaller budgets than what Nicho is working on.
That sort of response is that of a clown ~ you must have the attention span of a gnat ~ read the bloody thing and the answer is there as regards Nicholson's budget.

Whilst your primary objective is just to disrespect and antagonise; don't expect reasoned debate as that is obviously wasted on such as you who choose not to read posts properly.
All I was asking you to do was to give us proof of what you were claiming. Without writing another chapter of War & Peace, Dave managed to explain succinctly and reasonably in three sentences why you were unable to do this.

merse btpir wrote: ↑
Yesterday, 19:04
There are plenty of clubs operating on lower average gates than Torquay United and several fellow managers having to work on smaller budgets than Kevin Nicholson ~ AND making a better fist of it!

As for your statement about other managers 'making a better fist of it' (managing a smaller budget), we all know that there are other factors to be taken into account when making such a bold statement - i.e. the location of clubs (e.g. clubs near cities have the option of picking up part-time players) and how well the club is being run off the field (as Neal has today posted on another thread). Perhaps this was one of the mistakes that Nicho was admitting to - his lack of experience when working with a budget and drawing up contracts.

Re your other post, do you really expect me, or anyone else, to trawl through your plethora of posts to pick out the bits of fake news? P.S. On a post before 12th May in reply to one of my posts, you stated that NO players were under contract after the end of April.
:lol: :goodpost:

I think if we did trawl through his plethora of posts we would find most to be contrived jargon that subsequently gets linked to TUFC. Hilarious.


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Post by merse btpir » 15 May 2017, 18:50

tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 15:04
do you really expect me, or anyone else, to trawl through your plethora of posts to pick out the bits of fake news? P.S. On a post before 12th May in reply to one of my posts, you stated that NO players were under contract after the end of April.
You'll need to if you're going to substantiate your claim buddy.......

I did post this on May 9th:
You'll notice then that only retained players remain on the payroll in National League football unless they can negotiate a renewal which commences paying them seamlessly.
Those 'under consideration' are therefore released and off the payroll as things stand from the final whistle of the North Ferriby game and perfectly free to pursue options elsewhere.
I don't know about Hancox, but I am of the understanding that Duke (and possibly Gerring too) had reason to believe they were being re-engaged subject to there being enough in the budget to re-engage them.....obviously this was not the case.

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Post by Southampton Gull » 15 May 2017, 19:42

tomogull wrote:
15 May 2017, 12:19
Southampton Gull wrote:
15 May 2017, 12:04
I could answer that question, tomo. I'm pretty sure Merse could too but what would be the point? You couldn't prove we were right or wrong and neither could we without getting somebody into trouble. If you choose not to believe something then that's totally your right but that kind of objection has never put me off passing on certain information to other fans and I doubt it will stop Merse either.
Okay, fair comment. But I tend to take more notice of what you post than someone who told us Steve Tully was about to be appointed manager when GI took over, that ALL United players contracts ended at the end of April and that Nicho would go at the end of the season.

I know nothing of the specifics of what Merse posted regarding Tully but it was something I was made aware of some time back. I might even have posted that as well, memory fails me there to be honest. Some of what I post about fails to materialise from time to time but you know football, 'promises' and 'contracts' tend not to be worth much when money rears it's ugly head or situations change etc, it doesn't mean that it wasn't about to happen or wasn't in the pipeline.

I disagree with a lot of what Merse says but we all see things differently and I'm ok with that. It's funny how words on a screen can cause so many bad feelings but the same words spoken over a beer wouldn't be taken the same way. I find it easy to put myself in Merse's shoes, for obvious reasons, and it's not hard to spot when he's being devilish, condescending or just humorous. It's all of the above, it just depends on how you take it. I liken us to a couple of boxers who meet, have a scrap and end up respecting each other. I can't speak for him but that's how I feel. What I do know is that you'd have more time for his opinions if you spoke at length, even if you still disagreed with him. He does press those buttons though
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Post by Plainmoor78 » 15 May 2017, 21:15

Merse is sometimes controversial, possibly deliberately so. But what he does is give vitality and energy to both this forum and his own. By his contribution he gets people interested and logging on even if they themselves do not contribute to the debate, and this is very important. We need people like merse at this point in time to keep us interested, involved and aware of what is going on while GI are trying to possibly sell the club down the river. If merse didn't 'work' this forum and his own they both would be reduced to the state of near terminal decline that the TFF forum is in.
It is vital that people keep the debate about TUFC alive especially during the closed season months when we are most at risk.
Three little piglets is either extremely naive, or is deliberately trying to discredit merse for ulterior motives (I actually think it is the latter). There is another thread on this forum devoted to the need of maintaining vigilance and that is Merse's most valuable contribution to the debate because he gets people talking about TUFC. The last thing we need now are rose tinted spectacles and happy clappers.


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Post by tomogull » 15 May 2017, 21:49

Plainmoor78 wrote:
15 May 2017, 21:15
There is another thread on this forum devoted to the need of maintaining vigilance and that is Merse's most valuable contribution to the debate because he gets people talking about TUFC.
Yes - I totally agree with you on that point. So at least we do sing in unison from one page of the hymn book ...... ;-)


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Post by chunkygull » 15 May 2017, 22:24

Plainmoor78 wrote:
15 May 2017, 21:15
Merse is sometimes controversial, possibly deliberately so. But what he does is give vitality and energy to both this forum and his own. By his contribution he gets people interested and logging on even if they themselves do not contribute to the debate, and this is very important. We need people like merse at this point in time to keep us interested, involved and aware of what is going on while GI are trying to possibly sell the club down the river. If merse didn't 'work' this forum and his own they both would be reduced to the state of near terminal decline that the TFF forum is in.
It is vital that people keep the debate about TUFC alive especially during the closed season months when we are most at risk.
Three little piglets is either extremely naive, or is deliberately trying to discredit merse for ulterior motives (I actually think it is the latter). There is another thread on this forum devoted to the need of maintaining vigilance and that is Merse's most valuable contribution to the debate because he gets people talking about TUFC. The last thing we need now are rose tinted spectacles and happy clappers.
:goodpost: Totally agree with this and with Southampton Gull. Personally I think the stuff Merse has posted has been bloody good and he has my respect and thanks for helping bring more awareness and a bit of inside knowledge to the working of things. This forum has certainly woken up. I think a few people on here have been total dicks to him a few times, it is like they just dont want to hear it and would rather bury their head in the sand whilst idolising a failing regime at the club.
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Post by Southampton Gull » 15 May 2017, 22:31

Some of those "some" have been sent to do exactly that :sleep:
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Post by merse btpir » 15 May 2017, 22:31

Plainmoor78 wrote:
15 May 2017, 21:15
Merse is sometimes controversial, possibly deliberately so. But what he does is give vitality and energy to both this forum and his own. By his contribution he gets people interested and logging on even if they themselves do not contribute to the debate, and this is very important. We need people like merse at this point in time to keep us interested, involved and aware of what is going on while GI are trying to possibly sell the club down the river. If merse didn't 'work' this forum and his own they both would be reduced to the state of near terminal decline that the TFF forum is in.
It is vital that people keep the debate about TUFC alive especially during the closed season months when we are most at risk........
So you see the method behind the madness then!

This club is far too easily led into a stupor of indifference, ambivalence and apathy as it is ever possible to imagine, and that's exactly what Gaming International want; and what the Herald Express try to manipulate so that Clarke Osborne and the local authority can continue their manipulation of the freehold by stealth.

threelittle piglets/Tim Herbert can rail as much as they want but if it were left to the machinations of those at TQ1 the club would go to sleep now and only re-awaken in August......and God only knows what they would have been up to in that time.

We don't all have to sit on the same side of the room either; keep the debate loud, lively and long. Remind Clarke Osborne that this is no sleepy little dog track in Swindon or disused speedway circuit in Reading.

I thank Dave for his testimonial but I'm far too old to be boxing at my age ~ too old even to watch it if truth be told and I lost interest in doing that nearly twenty years ago. As he tells you; people can have (violently at times) differing views but should be capable of respecting their opponent as having the same intention of punching their weight as they have.


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Post by furmax » 23 May 2017, 19:09

I Voted midtable pushing for playoffs. Not because I feel that is what we will achieve given our current financial backing, but what I would see as a success and a sign of moving forward as a club. minimum.
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