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Don't take your eye off the ball

Post by merse btpir » 11 May 2017, 10:25

Don't take your eye off the ball

We must guard against the slumber of complacency now the season has ended accelerated and induced further by the club's almost total lack of momentum during the close season. Was it merely coincidence that they only put the season ticket process out AFTER the fact that they hadn't, been was highlighted by the K'wankers that they love to deride?

Everybody ~ and I mean everybody ~ must ensure they do not take their eye off the ball of Gaming International obtaining the freehold in the lead-up to the Mayoral decision because this is just what Clarke Osborne will be banking on.

So keep the petition to the forefront, make sure it remains in your forethoughts and in the public eye.

Creeping towards 7,000!
today's total stands at: 6,887

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/gord ... n=sign-pet

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Post by Southampton Gull » 11 May 2017, 10:37

I'm a little surprised it hasn't received greater numbers of signatures so maybe it needs another concerted push on all social media platforms.
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Post by happytorq » 11 May 2017, 17:07

Southampton Gull wrote:
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I'm a little surprised it hasn't received greater numbers of signatures so maybe it needs another concerted push on all social media platforms.
Really? I thought it was a pretty decent number since our average attendance is what, about 2000?

would be interesting in seeing what you thought it should get.
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Post by Southampton Gull » 11 May 2017, 17:16

Well considering the population of Torbay alone dwarfs that figure I'd say at the moment it is below a figure that will show councillors definitively that the freehold is worth keeping.

I'm not saying it isn't impressive so far but considering its had national exposure I was hoping for many times the current number.
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Post by happytorq » 11 May 2017, 17:24

Oh yeah - I had taken into account the already well-documented apathy of the Torbay public :/

Torbay has quite a few people there, but very few of them (proportionally speaking) ever seemed to give much of a toss about the local side. Growing up everybody seemed to support Liverpool or Manchester United, despite never having been anywhere near either city.

The Facebook group is something you have to get invited to, so the chances are people already know you're a Torquay fan before adding you - to get better numbers it should be shared beyond that small, self-selecting group. Is there a group of Torbay business who could share it? (they'd be impacted by visitors not showing up, etc).
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Post by SenorDingDong » 11 May 2017, 19:34

Southampton Gull wrote:
11 May 2017, 17:16
Well considering the population of Torbay alone dwarfs that figure I'd say at the moment it is below a figure that will show councillors definitively that the freehold is worth keeping.

I'm not saying it isn't impressive so far but considering its had national exposure I was hoping for many times the current number.
I would suggest getting it posted on 'Spotted Torquay' might work in terms of getting it out amongst the Torbay public as that's one of the largest facebook groups for Torbay. Although it might get a little bit of the usual 'don't care, they're crap, I support Liverpool despite being born in Hele Village, YNWA!!' types commenting on it. Other than that there's not many focal points in Torbay in terms of people or institutions that can promote it, the club is by far the largest community institution in the Torbay area, which is ironic.
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Post by Southampton Gull » 11 May 2017, 19:37

I think the football scene in general could help us out more. Millions of football fans there for the asking. I don't use any other football forums these days so maybe others could spread the word via ones they use. Most would sympathise I'm sure.
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Post by SenorDingDong » 11 May 2017, 19:39

The South Devon League might be an option, I think they have a Facebook page, given the obvious links to the local area but the club has done so much to sever links to the local football community rather than serving as the pinnacle of it, as it should be doing, that I wonder if anyone would even care amongst those players.


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Post by AlexGulls » 11 May 2017, 20:07

I see Gary Monk mentioned it on Twitter seems a lot of Leeds fans backed the petition and were suggesting trying to get a friendly down here. 7000 signatures there now.


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Post by merse btpir » 11 May 2017, 22:05

Gone over 7,000 tonight.........7,035 as I post & yet still not a mention on the Herald Express!


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Post by westyorkshiregull » 11 May 2017, 22:58

Not being a smart arse and i have signed it along with close family members but we need to plug as much as we can
...to make a difference I think we need 100000 signs


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Post by Wraysburygull » 11 May 2017, 22:58

Have just fired out an email to The Torbay Chamber of Commerce with the petition link,highlighting the business benefits to the bay of TUFC.Just hope Osborne isn't a member 😀


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Post by merse btpir » 11 May 2017, 23:47

To the best of my knowledge the Herald Express has yet to mention the petition ~ even though it has been up and running for almost a month now ~ and again I put it to you all that this appalling apology for a newspaper is totally failing it's role as a news provider for a community leaving one to question just how many more people would sign it but don't even know of it's existence?

Clarke Osborne and his Goebbels like purveyor of information Tim Herbert must be laughing their socks off that Dave Thomas and Co can be bought off so easily under the totally fake guise of adhering to The Editors’ Code of Practice. What utter hypocrisy!

To report on it would neither:
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Post by merse btpir » 12 May 2017, 07:50

It's been pointed out to me that a reporter called Jamie Hawkins posted an article on April 21st. OK; fair enough the total number of signatures then stood at one and a half thousand.

Since then? Nothing (to the best of my knowledge and especially on the specialist Torquay United feature; the weekly podcast where the sports editor Richard Hughes hypocritically used the editors' code for not being open and opaque over all matters United.

If that's not a deliberate attempt to keep the truth from people then I don't know what is.

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Post by Southampton Gull » 12 May 2017, 09:45

I've long held the Herald in contempt for their continued stance on keeping information from the fans. A more critical eye from the local rag might have put a stop to a lot of the decisions made by various controlling parties at Plainmoor. As someone else said, I see no reason why we couldn't hit six figures on the number of signatures. It just needs that push from somewhere to make it go viral and then it would be almost impossible to ignore.
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