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So now we know! Its the Editors' Code of Practice that stops the Herald reporting factual evidence about Mr Osborne's Gaming International. Why does the code not apply to the Guardian, Telegraph or TalkSport?

"There are doubters out there, Mr Osborne, who are looking at GI's record in speedway, and getting very nervous.
Social media is fanning the flames of this story; newspapers and newspapers' websites are guided by the Editors' Code of Practice, the Ipso Code, contributors to Facebook and Twitter are not…"


http://www.devonlive.com/comment-torqua ... story.html


Of course this is all nonsense, no one is asking the Herald to report fake news just the factual evidence which is available across the social media and which even the National Media have picked up on. The Herald has some serious thinking to do - is it a newspaper or a propaganda machine for GI?

It this continues I can see a boycott the Herald Express campaign being started.
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With the advent of the internet and alternative sources of news, the traditional press has come under increasing financial pressures. There have also been increasing pressures regarding the right to privacy and similar issues. As a result, I suspect newspapers, particularly regional papers with more limited funds, have become increasingly reluctant to delve into matters requiring investigative journalism, for fear of possible litigation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... 354316.stm
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I agree with the code in as much as "Everyone is entitled to respect for his or her private and family life, home, health and correspondence. A publication will be expected to justify intrusions into any individual's private life without consent.

But we are not asking for an intrusion into Clarke Osbourne's private life, we are asking for investigative journalism into a property development business called Gaming International. There is a difference.
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MellowYellow wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 14:18 Of course this is all nonsense, no one is asking the Herald to report fake news just the factual evidence which is available across the social media and which even the National Media have picked up on. The Herald has some serious thinking to do - is it a newspaper or a propaganda machine for GI?
That is the crux of the matter isn't it........no-one is expecting them to break the code; everyone is expecting them to show some balls and investigate the bleedin' obvious. That Clarke Osborne and Gaming International have an atrocious track record with the sporting ventures they have been involved in; have yet to build a single stadium anywhere in over thirty years and have yet to put in place any revenue streams so necessary to the successful running of Torquay United.

I have carefully read that code of conduct this morning and there is nothing in it to prevent any of things being exposed.
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Gullscorer wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 14:44 With the advent of the internet and alternative sources of news, the traditional press has come under increasing financial pressures. There have also been increasing pressures regarding the right to privacy and similar issues. As a result, I suspect newspapers, particularly regional papers with more limited funds, have become increasingly reluctant to delve into matters requiring investigative journalism, for fear of possible litigation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... 354316.stm
The Herald Express is owned by Trinity Mirror PLC.
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Exactly Merse - the code is irrelevant as reporting the truth is never libel. What we are seeing in journalistic parlance is probably 'spiking'. I make a assumption that the GI story is spiked so as not to conflict with the commercial interests of the newspaper. I would guess the Herald has a close relationship with Osbourne & Co and is dependant on any advertising revenue GI may throw it's way.
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On the subject of only reporting stories that are factually correct ... they may want to check their facts before coming out with ...

There was 1987 – Bryn the police dog biting Jim McNichol to provide the time-added-on in which Paul Dobson scored Torquay's equaliser against Lincoln City to send Burnley down

..... When actually the game was against Crewe Alexandra and sent Lincoln down !!! :slap:
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CP Gull wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 16:52 On the subject of only reporting stories that are factually correct ... they may want to check their facts before coming out with ...

There was 1987 – Bryn the police dog biting Jim McNichol to provide the time-added-on in which Paul Dobson scored Torquay's equaliser against Lincoln City to send Burnley down

..... When actually the game was against Crewe Alexandra and sent Lincoln down !!! :slap:
Yes - well spotted CP Gull. More 'fake news' from the Herald Express ! :whistle:
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Got sod all to do with any codes. Walked into the gulls nest before one of the last Tuesday night games of the season, to see Dave Thomas and Geoff Harrop in a very happy, smiley comfortable conversation, that is the reason, and that alone why DT will not rock the boat, as he does not want to lose any links he has with the club.

If he starts asking awkward questions, and going to print questioning what's going on at the club, he's likely to find himself shut out, DT does not want that.
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Gullscorer wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 14:44 With the advent of the internet and alternative sources of news, the traditional press has come under increasing financial pressures. There have also been increasing pressures regarding the right to privacy and similar issues. As a result, I suspect newspapers, particularly regional papers with more limited funds, have become increasingly reluctant to delve into matters requiring investigative journalism, for fear of possible litigation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... 354316.stm
That may be true but they don't have to lie about it. Frankly their argument is BOLLOCKS when other print newspapers such as the Telegraph and Guardian have reported on the issue, the Guardian article was only a hop, skip and a jump away from outright accusing GI of what we allege. I dare say those two newspapers have access to fairly heavy hitters in terms of legal advice and if they're content to print words which go far beyond what we want the Herald Express to do, well then that says it all does it? The Herald Express isn't tied by codes of ethics, it's hiding behind an inaccurate reporting of them to cover up it's own lack of backbone and willingness to report the truth. I can't think of any reason why Clarke Osborne could even bring a case against the Herald on the basis of reporting facts and leaving the readership to make their own conclusions.

Of course forevertufc hits the nail on the head precisely in stating that DT is far too close the club. The Herald Express printed far worse about Chris Roberts than we are asking them to print about GI and why was that? Because the relationship between the club and the paper was breaking down and DT was denied his cosy little hotline to the club.

As Merse, Mellow Yellow and others have said on this thread, we have never advocated an intrusion into Clarke Osborne's personal life, merely an accurate reporting of his past business activities, all of which are a matter of public record and easily accessible for those who are of a mind to do so. This is not accusing him of anything, nor insulting him, nor libellous, nor invading his private life, it's simple reporting the Herald Express must do!

If the Herald Express does not do this, then a boycott must be considered.
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SenorDingDong wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 18:02 That may be true but they don't have to lie about it. Frankly their argument is BOLLOCKS when other print newspapers such as the Telegraph and Guardian have reported on the issue, the Guardian article was only a hop, skip and a jump away from outright accusing GI of what we allege. I dare say those two newspapers have access to fairly heavy hitters in terms of legal advice and if they're content to print words which go far beyond what we want the Herald Express to do, well then that says it all does it? The Herald Express isn't tied by codes of ethics, it's hiding behind an inaccurate reporting of them to cover up it's own lack of backbone and willingness to report the truth - of course forevertufc hits the nail on the head precisely in stating that DT is far too close the club. The Herald Express printed far worse about Chris Roberts than we are asking them to print about GI and why was that? Because the relationship between the club and the paper was breaking down and DT was denied his cosy little hotline to the club.

As Merse, Mellow Yellow and others have said on this thread, we have never advocated an intrusion into Clarke Osborne's personal life, merely an accurate reporting of his past business activities, all of which are a matter of public record and easily accessible for those who are of a mind to do so. This is not accusing him of anything, nor insulting him, nor libellous, nor invading his private life, it's simple reporting the Herald Express must do!

If the Herald Express does not do this, then a boycott must be considered.
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In fact the Bryn episode has been magnified out of all proportion as the length of the match was unaltered by the incident. The ref merely added time to cover that lost, no more, no less.
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As an aside, interesting to note that yet again the Herald has disabled comments on the article where they state they're not reporting on GI because of ethics codes. Scared of a little debate?
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SenorDingDong wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 18:31 As an aside, interesting to note that yet again the Herald has disabled comments on the article where they state they're not reporting on GI because of ethics codes. Scared of a little debate?
Yes they are scared of debate. The reason is that any business interest can threaten a paper that it will act over any comment it doesn't like. Whether true or false. In practice this means legal costs even if the paper is found to be correct. So the smaller papers, even if owned by a national, will keep quiet rather than face significant cost.

I have seen this in action here in my home town between an educational establishment and the local daily. I know that the paper was warned of legal action and told that the lawyers were watching.

Whether GI engage in this practice is difficult to say, of course...

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