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Post by madgull » 09 May 2017, 02:52

Why are we being diverted from talking about our retained list to arguing about Merse's boy and his career? By the way, do we KNOW for sure that these lads didn't have it made perfectly clear to them that they were on the way out? With all due respect, if I was in either of their shoes, I wouldn't have expected a contract renewal and would have made appropriate arrangements...

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Post by MellowYellow » 09 May 2017, 03:42

madgull wrote:
09 May 2017, 02:52
Why are we being diverted from talking about our retained list to arguing about... that these lads didn't have it made perfectly clear to them that they were on the way out?
Because no-one has been retained! A list has been made but no contracts signed. So to while away the hours Merse comes to the rescue again with information on two young lads who were not retained. Annoys some; humours others and informs many. At least he creates valid debate on the retention issue whether we agree with it or not. Keep up the good work Merse.


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Post by merse btpir » 09 May 2017, 08:15

There's a difference to being 'retained' and 're-engaged'.......

Retained is when an option is exercised on a contract and agreed between both parties to extend it ~ as United would like to do with Luke Young and players staying to complete an agreed contract as in the cases of Sam Chaney and Damon Lathrope.

Released applies to Charlie Duke, Will Hancox and Ben Gerring who have come to the end of their contracts and not being offered re-engagement terms.

You'll notice then that only retained players remain on the payroll in National League football unless they can negotiate a renewal which commences paying them seamlessly.

Those 'under consideration' are therefore released and off the payroll as things stand from the final whistle of the North Ferriby game and perfectly free to pursue options elsewhere.

I don't know about Hancox, but I am of the understanding that Duke (and possibly Gerring too) had reason to believe they were being re-engaged subject to there being enough in the budget to re-engage them.....obviously this was not the case.

Those who have taken the trouble to watch the video on link I provided re the FLE release trials and those options to players throughout their contracts to make provision for their future, will see that being released at one club in no way finally determines the end of a player's professional career if they don't want it to and the many and varied opportunities available to them. For instance it could well be that Duke or Hancox secure development contracts at higher status clubs than Torquay United where they can be patiently and constructively improved within a proper football infrastructure such as Exeter City for instance.

One option I encouraged a couple of suitable lads to pursue last season was the Scandinavian one where you would be surprised how many have gone over to (say) Sweden; taken up a short (3-4 month) semi-pro contract and settled into staying there, enrolling in education and building a very nice lifestyle.

United physio Gareth Laws was the beneficiary of building a professional career in his field after his playing opportunities came to an end at Plainmoor too.

Integration into the American or Canadian college soccer scholarship scheme is another and very often those who chose that stay and develop a new lifestyle through that. Remember Leon Hapgood anyone? He's been in Calgary for a good few years now after doing that after hacking away on the part-time circuit with Bideford after leaving Torquay United ten years ago. His boss at Calgary Foothills FC is Tommy Wheeldon another Torquay lad who took that path:
http://www.foothillsfc.ca/Default.asp?id=home&l=1

Remember Tommy Sermanni? Look at him now after packing his bags on leaving Plainmoor in 1982 and travelling the world from Australia, to Sarawak, Canada and the USA where he is now head coach of leading US Womens Soccer club Orlando Pride and previously coached the Australia women's national team, and the United States women's national team from 2013 to 2014.

None of these opportunities are denied those who attend the FLE release trials ~ there are scouts there from all over the global world of football and Duke and Hancox were denied the responsible care of duty they were entitled to as young professionals.

Being young, free and single presents a different opportunity to being married with a young child or two where the option of paid work and part-time football nearer home might be the priority and that could well be the road Ben Gerring chooses to go down; who knows but I do know that by his manner and actions in the evening immediately after the euphoric victory over North Ferriby he was not exactly anticipating 'being on the scrapheap' within a week........far from it.


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Post by merse btpir » 09 May 2017, 08:43

Rjc70 wrote:
08 May 2017, 18:23
There is information on season tickets and early bird offers by now every year. This year is the exception.
Here's a piece of information that the club are omitting to pass on:

A pre-season friendly away to Tiverton Town on July 14th with a 7.15pm kick-off..it might need to be 5-a-side the way things are right now! :~D

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Post by Louis » 09 May 2017, 09:17

Caldwellanddobson wrote:
08 May 2017, 21:09
It's Torquay United. The one which once paid you and which I still support. I have no agenda, I'm just bored with reading your posts. That is all.
Click his name, click add foe. Happy days everyone is happy :)


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Post by TUST_Member_Rob » 09 May 2017, 12:31

threelittlepiglets wrote:
07 May 2017, 23:56
TUST_Member_Rob wrote:
07 May 2017, 20:21
offering Harrad ANY terms is madness, the blokes past it, he was on a decent wack - waste of money!
He won't sign... don't worry
great news then... :cool:


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Post by Plymouth Gull » 09 May 2017, 13:41

Rjc70 wrote:
08 May 2017, 18:23
Plymouth Gull wrote:
08 May 2017, 09:41
I'm pretty sure that in most recent seasons the early bird season ticket offer has been announced before we've even finished our season. An example being at the end of 2013/14, where the Early bird period began in mid-March, so we knew about them long before the season was over.

http://www.torquayunited.com/news/artic ... 32940.aspx
Absolutely. No idea what threepiglets is on about whilst trying to defend the club's owners ad nauseam. There is information on season tickets and early bird offers by now every year. This year is the exception.
Indeed. Surprisingly 3LP has gone quiet on his argument - it's funny what the facts can do!


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Post by merse btpir » 09 May 2017, 14:01

The FACTS are that the club have made no effort whatsoever to interact with the supporters over any form of sales or is even attempting to get them on board for next season.......

No season ticket offer
No announcement of pre-season friendlies
No statement on admission prices
No attempt to market any new replica kit for next season
No attempt to utilise the stadium facilities to open revenue streams through the summer


It's obvious this is either abject inability to run a professional football club on behalf of the sole owner by his staff or a blatant manoeuvre to send it into a comatose state. With half a million of debt now stacked against the club by Osborne rather than spending half a million of his own money; this is a very dangerous and potentially fatal state into which the football club is being sent.

It is essential that Clarke Osborne does not get the freehold he desires because it is becoming more obvious with every one of these days that passes that the intention could well be to render the business mortally wounded thus making it prone to being wound up and the vacant possession of the freehold becoming vastly more valuable overnight.

The Mayor doesn't appear to care about it; neither the council or their officers and the Herald Express doesn't want YOU to know about it. It's a conspiracy of silence that only the trust and the two forums that have taken an active lead in keeping people in the picture at the expense of being personally insulted by weasels like Tim Herbert (and threelittlepiglets, if they are by any chance a different person) the abject silence of the TUOSC and Bernard Noble and it is time to realise just who is on your side as a supporter ~ them or the 'Keyboard Wankers' that he referred to whilst indulging in the delight of Dave Phillips and Merv Balson who delivered the sacrificial lamb into the clutches of Osborne under the Svengali influence of Peter Masters.

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Post by torq2u » 09 May 2017, 14:09

merse btpir wrote:
09 May 2017, 14:01
The FACTS are that the club have made no effort whatsoever to interact with the supporters over any form of sales or is even attempting to get them on board for next season.......

No season ticket offer
No announcement of pre-season friendlies
No statement on admission prices
No attempt to market any new replica kit for next season
No attempt to utilise the stadium facilities to open revenue streams through the summer


It's obvious this is either abject inability to run a professional football club on behalf of the sole owner by his staff or a blatant manoeuvre to send it into a comatose state. With half a million of debt now stacked against the club by Osborne rather than spending half a million of his own money; this is a very dangerous and potentially fatal state into which the football club is being sent.

It is essential that Clarke Osborne does not get the freehold he desires because it is becoming more obvious with every one of these days that passes that the intention could well be to render the business mortally wounded thus making it prone to being wound up and the vacant possession of the freehold becoming vastly more valuable overnight.

The Mayor doesn't appear to care about it; neither the council or their officers and the Herald Express doesn't want YOU to know about it. It's a conspiracy of silence that only the trust and the two forums that have taken an active lead in keeping people in the picture at the expense of being personally insulted by weasels like Tim Herbert (and threelittlepiglets, if they are by any chance a different person) the abject silence of the TUOSC and Bernard Noble and it is time to realise just who is on your side as a supporter ~ them or the 'Keyboard Wankers' that he referred to whilst indulging in the delight of Dave Phillips and Merv Balson who delivered the sacrificial lamb into the clutches of Osborne under the Svengali influence of Peter Masters.
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Post by stephen breed » 09 May 2017, 14:23

Some posting that merse


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Post by Wraysburygull » 09 May 2017, 14:35

This is panning out as many feared.We have the petition, am sure most on here have emailed the MP, mayor and councillors to death. I am 200 miles from Torquay and am not as close to the inner workings of the club and local politics as others. My question is what else we can do as individuals or collectively to save the club from what seems a slow painful death? It could be that things are going on in the background with TUST, but it seems to me as a minimum we need this to be a high profile topic in the General Election and not lose focus between now and end of July.I cannot believe the HE is behaving as it is. Are there any other outlets down there that can get the message out ? Am brain wracking so feel free to shoot me down or make suggestions.


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Post by PaulR » 09 May 2017, 14:56

I have just phoned the Club.
The Early Bird season tickets are as follows:

Bristows bench & Family Stand...... Adult £275. Concession £200.

Pop Side.................................Adult £250 Concession ?

The offer is up until June 6th I believe.

I was told that it would be announced later today. :scarf:
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Post by MellowYellow » 09 May 2017, 22:32

merse btpir wrote:
09 May 2017, 14:01
The FACTS are that the club have made no effort


Wow that was a bold statement - I'm with you in part but I am trying to keep optimistic for next season (league champions, quarter finals FA Cup etc.). All a dream - maybe - but its that dream that keeps me supporting the team and fighting for its future. What I do agree on is that GI's approach to handling of club administration has not been endearing and much is done by stealth with little regard to good PR. The abject silence of the Mayor and Council on the freehold of Plainmoor is disconcerting whilst the Herald Express remains a joke!

There is more money than ever in the lower leagues, unfortunately it’s just concentrated in small pockets so Torquay like other non-league clubs are under pressure to find ways to compete with clubs that have bottomless pits of money, Eastleigh, Forest Green etc. To this end I would like to think the half a million of debt now stacked against the club by Osborne is done on good business ground where he can surrender those losses to the profitable side of GI. We know he is not a Torquay fan but a least he does not have the football drug that suddenly switches him over into crazed decisions. He will I sure do all his decisions from a commercial perspective. He has talked about a sustainability model and we have to admit there is probably a ceiling the club can hit under the current system because what we haven't got is a very large bank account behind us.

The irony of all of this is I don't nor do I believe others think that Osbourne should not make a financial return on his investment into Torquay United. All most of us ever wanted is for him to be open and transparent namely to guarantee a new ground with a 99 year lease no less favourable that the current lease so the club survives for the foreseeable future. In exchange for the stadium being built he then gets (when built) the freehold of Plainmoor to make his return of investment in the club. Yet, the grey area still remains will the club still be here after he gets his hands on the freehold


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Post by lucy6lucy » 04 Jun 2017, 19:57

Regarding the retained list. Both Richards and Moore have until midnight to re-sign. 3 pigs might have information on Moore but nothing concrete yet, Richards looks/appears to have gone as well. Either way Nicholson has a big month ahead
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