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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 20:38

What's this 'OUR football club'?

Is it yours and not mine, your's and not anyone else's? and 'this' is to do with the denial of two young pro's being released by 'our' football club too late to maximise their chances of remaining in the professional game.

Read the thread and take it in and it becomes obvious ~ another bitter and twisted soul questioning other's right to an opinion!


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Post by Caldwellanddobson » 08 May 2017, 21:09

It's Torquay United. The one which once paid you and which I still support. I have no agenda, I'm just bored with reading your posts. That is all.


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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 21:16

Don't read them then.......... :cool:

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Post by MellowYellow » 08 May 2017, 21:26

merse btpir wrote:
08 May 2017, 21:16
Don't read them then.......... :cool:
:lol:

I enjoy reading them Merse - they are very insightful


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Post by Caldwellanddobson » 08 May 2017, 21:48

Without wishing to appear facetious, Merse referred to EFL failures tryouts (or similar). Given that our club is below that level, I fail to see how our ex-players would have qualified anyway.


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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 21:51

Well they can:
http://www.lfe.org.uk/apprentice-review ... rials-2014

"Featuring over 240 individual players (aged 18-20) from English Football League, Premier League and Conference clubs"


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Post by Caldwellanddobson » 08 May 2017, 22:07

Oh, good for them. And they'd have been unable to find this out for themselves would they? So certain that they'd done sufficient that they were assured of another twelve month's employment, they wouldn't have needed to apply for themselves. Does nobody take any responsibility for themselves at all any more? I work in a supermarket. Should my managers start seeking future employment for those checkout operators unable to make the grade during their probationary period? All of them? Really?


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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 22:09

Just click on the link and educate yourself


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Post by Caldwellanddobson » 08 May 2017, 22:15

Sometimes people aren't suited to the role they currently occupy. Sometimes a change of job/career can do them the world of good. I've yet to click on the link though, what would I learn? That post-adolescent athletes were being offered another chance to follow their (and their father's) dreams?


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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 23:18

:bow: In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King!


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Post by madgull » 09 May 2017, 02:52

Why are we being diverted from talking about our retained list to arguing about Merse's boy and his career? By the way, do we KNOW for sure that these lads didn't have it made perfectly clear to them that they were on the way out? With all due respect, if I was in either of their shoes, I wouldn't have expected a contract renewal and would have made appropriate arrangements...

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Post by MellowYellow » 09 May 2017, 03:42

madgull wrote:
09 May 2017, 02:52
Why are we being diverted from talking about our retained list to arguing about... that these lads didn't have it made perfectly clear to them that they were on the way out?
Because no-one has been retained! A list has been made but no contracts signed. So to while away the hours Merse comes to the rescue again with information on two young lads who were not retained. Annoys some; humours others and informs many. At least he creates valid debate on the retention issue whether we agree with it or not. Keep up the good work Merse.


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Post by merse btpir » 09 May 2017, 08:15

There's a difference to being 'retained' and 're-engaged'.......

Retained is when an option is exercised on a contract and agreed between both parties to extend it ~ as United would like to do with Luke Young and players staying to complete an agreed contract as in the cases of Sam Chaney and Damon Lathrope.

Released applies to Charlie Duke, Will Hancox and Ben Gerring who have come to the end of their contracts and not being offered re-engagement terms.

You'll notice then that only retained players remain on the payroll in National League football unless they can negotiate a renewal which commences paying them seamlessly.

Those 'under consideration' are therefore released and off the payroll as things stand from the final whistle of the North Ferriby game and perfectly free to pursue options elsewhere.

I don't know about Hancox, but I am of the understanding that Duke (and possibly Gerring too) had reason to believe they were being re-engaged subject to there being enough in the budget to re-engage them.....obviously this was not the case.

Those who have taken the trouble to watch the video on link I provided re the FLE release trials and those options to players throughout their contracts to make provision for their future, will see that being released at one club in no way finally determines the end of a player's professional career if they don't want it to and the many and varied opportunities available to them. For instance it could well be that Duke or Hancox secure development contracts at higher status clubs than Torquay United where they can be patiently and constructively improved within a proper football infrastructure such as Exeter City for instance.

One option I encouraged a couple of suitable lads to pursue last season was the Scandinavian one where you would be surprised how many have gone over to (say) Sweden; taken up a short (3-4 month) semi-pro contract and settled into staying there, enrolling in education and building a very nice lifestyle.

United physio Gareth Laws was the beneficiary of building a professional career in his field after his playing opportunities came to an end at Plainmoor too.

Integration into the American or Canadian college soccer scholarship scheme is another and very often those who chose that stay and develop a new lifestyle through that. Remember Leon Hapgood anyone? He's been in Calgary for a good few years now after doing that after hacking away on the part-time circuit with Bideford after leaving Torquay United ten years ago. His boss at Calgary Foothills FC is Tommy Wheeldon another Torquay lad who took that path:
http://www.foothillsfc.ca/Default.asp?id=home&l=1

Remember Tommy Sermanni? Look at him now after packing his bags on leaving Plainmoor in 1982 and travelling the world from Australia, to Sarawak, Canada and the USA where he is now head coach of leading US Womens Soccer club Orlando Pride and previously coached the Australia women's national team, and the United States women's national team from 2013 to 2014.

None of these opportunities are denied those who attend the FLE release trials ~ there are scouts there from all over the global world of football and Duke and Hancox were denied the responsible care of duty they were entitled to as young professionals.

Being young, free and single presents a different opportunity to being married with a young child or two where the option of paid work and part-time football nearer home might be the priority and that could well be the road Ben Gerring chooses to go down; who knows but I do know that by his manner and actions in the evening immediately after the euphoric victory over North Ferriby he was not exactly anticipating 'being on the scrapheap' within a week........far from it.


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Post by merse btpir » 09 May 2017, 08:43

Rjc70 wrote:
08 May 2017, 18:23
There is information on season tickets and early bird offers by now every year. This year is the exception.
Here's a piece of information that the club are omitting to pass on:

A pre-season friendly away to Tiverton Town on July 14th with a 7.15pm kick-off..it might need to be 5-a-side the way things are right now! :~D

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Post by Louis » 09 May 2017, 09:17

Caldwellanddobson wrote:
08 May 2017, 21:09
It's Torquay United. The one which once paid you and which I still support. I have no agenda, I'm just bored with reading your posts. That is all.
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