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Post by nickbrod » 08 May 2017, 08:58

The club calling this "The List" is obviously for a reason! Not the "Retain List" nor the "Retained List".
Suggests that the manager doesn't have a decent budget.


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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 09:16

They're producing what you'd expect from such low quality employees and owners Nick.........we've seen it this season; and the close season is no different.

How many pre-season friendlies have been announced?
What attempt is there so far to sell season tickets?
Close season events to produce revenue streams?


The club ended this season as if next season didn't even exist.

There's nothing there as if there is nothing nor anyone at the club with any grasp. Surely the sensible way forward is to build the business utilising projects off the field that would see the club hopefully achieve the hoped-for success, but in a sustainable way. GI have been in possession of the club since before Christmas and as yet there is total catatonic inaction.

I'm not one of those proposing that the unsustainable underwriting of losses or failed business practice as was seen under Thea Bristow's benevolence is the way forward; but this retention of the totally failed management and playing squad of last season indicates that there is neither the will nor the wit to recover.

Attacking those who point out these deficiencies is poor management of the highest order


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Post by threelittlepiglets » 08 May 2017, 09:27

merse btpir wrote:
08 May 2017, 09:16
They're producing what you'd expect from such low quality employees and owners Nick.........we've seen it this season; and the close season is no different.

How many pre-season friendlies have been announced?
What attempt is there so far to sell season tickets?
Close season events to produce revenue streams?


The club ended this season as if next season didn't even exist.

There's nothing there as if there is nothing nor anyone at the club with any grasp. Surely the sensible way forward is to build the business utilising projects off the field that would see the club hopefully achieve the hoped-for success, but in a sustainable way. GI have been in possession of the club since before Christmas and as yet there is total catatonic inaction.

I'm not one of those proposing that the unsustainable underwriting of losses or failed business practice as was seen under Thea Bristow's benevolence is the way forward; but this retention of the totally failed management and playing squad of last season indicates that there is neither the will nor the wit to recover.

Attacking those who point out these deficiencies is poor management of the highest order
Can someone remind me of a TUFC regime over the past 20 years that has announced pre-season friendlies and season ticket information whilst the league playoffs are still going on?

Once again plain and simple NEGATIVE rubbish... and for what purpose??? As I said in previous post... YAWN


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Post by Richinns » 08 May 2017, 09:38

I think people are looking for hidden information which in honesty is probably not there. I realise there is a lot of mistrust surrounding the club and rightly so considering the owners back record but I have always put my trust in Nicholson. Whatever your opinion of him he has always always been very honest and perhaps we should take noye when he says "I feel hugely enthusiastic for the summer ahead. I have also held discussions with general manager Geoff Harrop and our head of recruitment Dave Hedges, which has all helped to give me a clear pathway to build a strong squad.”

Merse attacking the club over the release of a young pro and the offer of non-contract terms to another is a personal issue for me - due to his circumstances with his son Anthony who is trying to make a living from the game. It is the nature of the business for youngsters to be released by clubs across all levels of football and there is nothing more than a judgment that they are not of (and are unlikely to progress to) the standard deemed needed to take a spot in the squad.

Nicho knows his key nucleus (proper offers) and the offers to these outside of that will be terms which invite them to look elsewhere. We have to remember this current squad needs refreshing and using the final few games as judgement would be short-sighted when you compare their performance over the season as a whole. Of course - if they accept the terms then Nicholson has gained a decent squad member for little outlay (it may sound harsh but you have to make the most with what you have).

As for Williams - I am not surprised to find he is not really been made an offer to stay. It is clear that there is a division between him and Nicholson and if it is choice between the two then the manager must have control. I suspect he was on a hefty wage and if the manager does not feel he can fully trust him then it is a major risk using a decent part of the budget to retain him. A shame as he has undoubted quality but again - that is football.
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Post by Plymouth Gull » 08 May 2017, 09:41

I'm pretty sure that in most recent seasons the early bird season ticket offer has been announced before we've even finished our season. An example being at the end of 2013/14, where the Early bird period began in mid-March, so we knew about them long before the season was over.

http://www.torquayunited.com/news/artic ... 32940.aspx

It isn't negative rubbish - just how long are we going to sit on our hands and wait? Looks like another season of waiting for all of those players that can't get a deal elsewhere and are scratching around without any income coming in. I can hardly wait.


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Post by goody2449 » 08 May 2017, 10:54

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I agree with the most part of that but the decision to guarantee a contract to Richards over Williams or even GG is beyond me... Nicho even says if Brett stays we have guaranteed goals, well bloody sign him up then!!
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Post by Louis » 08 May 2017, 11:01

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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 11:10

Richinns wrote:
08 May 2017, 09:38
Merse attacking the club over the release of a young pro and the offer of non-contract terms to another is a personal issue for me - due to his circumstances with his son Anthony who is trying to make a living from the game. It is the nature of the business for youngsters to be released by clubs across all levels of football and there is nothing more than a judgment that they are not of (and are unlikely to progress to) the standard deemed needed to take a spot in the squad.
How is that a 'personal issue' for you then?

Players get released; granted. But there is a duty of care and responsibility on the club's behalf to do it in a responsible and holistic manner and leaving it until they cannot maximise their options is patently not the way to do it.

Kevin Nicholson is more than likely outside his experience zone in leaving it so late; Geoff Harrop is clearly not having been an academy manager and knowing full well the options that could and should lay before these boys. It was only through the experience that Charlie Duke's father has in working for Everton FC and having been involved in North West football for around 20 years, running development centres, scouting nationwide, managing the St Helens schoolboy  teams etc that he was offered a contract at all for this season when he held the club to account over their profligate attitude towards a player ending his scholar pro' term this time last year.

What I am trying to get across here is that the club as we know it is a million miles from being of an acceptable professional standard that any club calling itself 'fully professional' should be. The expression of those players' well being and interests being the last of their problems this morning says it all.

It's like I always tell my son.........be aware that when clubs want you they can't do enough for you (pay your transport costs, provide taxis etc, etc); once they decide they don't want you around any longer look out son you're on your own! No doubt the reason the Dukes would have originally picked Torquay United for their son was that Geoff Harrop, Robbie Herrera and Kevin Nancekivell would have made a good impression on them and made them feel wanted and (OK) a professional decision has been made by the manager. But the player and his family (and the same with Will Hancox for that matter) have been badly let down by the current regime not doing things in the correct manner.

When players or management get employed by a club they are employees and entitled to all the respect and conditions they are due. They are not fans and should never kid themselves they are because one day as sure as eggs are eggs they will be out of the door. That is the point I am making and it is not for stooges of the club to then turn around and divert attention away from all that by bringing childish attacks into it.


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Post by tomogull » 08 May 2017, 13:02

merse btpir wrote:
08 May 2017, 09:16
but this retention of the totally failed management and playing squad of last season indicates that there is neither the will nor the wit to recover. Attacking those who point out these deficiencies is poor management of the highest order
More poisonous bile. Why don't you give just a little bit of credit to Kevin Nicholson and the players for avoiding relegation when everything happening off the field was stacked against them? Whatever your negative opinions, nobody could accuse any of the players of a lack of effort throughout the whole season.

Incidentally, your were conspicuous by your absence on here after the North Ferriby match .........


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Post by torregull » 08 May 2017, 13:25

I can see no reason why the season ticket prices can't be announced it's not as if Osborne has to wait until the Board meets to agree such decisions,given that we still don't have one.

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Post by Southampton Gull » 08 May 2017, 13:37

tomogull wrote:
08 May 2017, 13:02
merse btpir wrote:
08 May 2017, 09:16
but this retention of the totally failed management and playing squad of last season indicates that there is neither the will nor the wit to recover. Attacking those who point out these deficiencies is poor management of the highest order
More poisonous bile. Why don't you give just a little bit of credit to Kevin Nicholson and the players for avoiding relegation when everything happening off the field was stacked against them? Whatever your negative opinions, nobody could accuse any of the players of a lack of effort throughout the whole season.

Incidentally, your were conspicuous by your absence on here after the North Ferriby match .........
I can vouch for the fact he had good reasons for not being around.

I get where you're coming from tomo but as much as I'm a Nicholson supporter, Merse makes valid points and like most of us just wants to see us setting an example for a change instead of being the most amateurish of professional clubs. I've fallen out with Merse more than most but he knows as well as I do just how critical a time it is for our club right now. Perhaps we could find it possible to ignore the rough edges and look more at the message than the messenger? Whatever you feel about him or his writing style, he loves the club as much as any of us. He's also man enough to stand and chat to anyone who disagrees with him, he doesn't hide like most, I can vouch for that too.
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Post by merse btpir » 08 May 2017, 13:47

Southampton Gull wrote:
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I can vouch for the fact he had good reasons for not being around.......
Good reason indeed; my PC was in for a clean up and wipe following a cyber attempt to extract a lot of money (well by my standards!) from my bank account.

I've got it back now and after a busy morning re-established everything on which a 'firewall' had come down around; so now I can participate again instead of just reading on my phone.

Nice of you to describe me as you do Dave ~ I'll try not to get dragged down to the level of those with personal agendas. ~ AND to concentrate on the original reason I came onto this forum and that is to keep everyone aware of the parlous situation our club finds itself in under this ownership and this Mayoralty.

My advice to everyone is not to get too complacent during the time that those with dubious intent will do their utmost to achieve what they want whilst people are snoozing.


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Post by nickbrod » 08 May 2017, 14:03

torregull wrote:
08 May 2017, 13:25
I can see no reason why the season ticket prices can't be announced it's not as if Osborne has to wait until the Board meets to agree such decisions,given that we still don't have one.
Just chosen three National League clubs to see what they're doing about season tickets for 2017-2018 season - Aldershot, Boreham Wood, Dover - and all three have their deals up and running. In fact at Aldershot (despite being in the play-offs) and Boreham Wood's Early Bird deals ended on May 1!
Boreham Wood are also telling their fans that pre-season friendlies will be announced soon.


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Post by stephen breed » 08 May 2017, 14:17

I can also vouch for merse I was once a so called victim of abuse years ago however I have put that behind me and would vouch for Alan as a very good friend who like Dave sais loves the club like any of us. I would also say I like richins another guy who clearly loves the club so despite us not all agreeing lets try and get on for the sake of the club as divide and conquer is g I game it should not a forum game .....

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Post by MellowYellow » 08 May 2017, 14:29

merse btpir wrote:
07 May 2017, 22:32
Hancox and Duke should have been informed of their decisions much earlier... before the opportunity to look after their own interests had gone.
I take on board your point of 'Duty of Care' and you make a valid point as the distinct lack of education before release is one of the biggest faults in the system. The often belittled lower leagues is a cauldron of 'unwanted' talent and this is a time when young boys have to turn into men and figure out their next career step by themselves. The PFA estimates that each summer those entering the game aged 16, three years down the line, 50% will be outside professional football

You know that the most important thing when you get released is the self-realisation that you take football for what it is, a game - and see where you end up. Otherwise, you take a 9 to 5 job like the rest of us, Now that is the real issue. Going from football into the "real world" will be the challenging transition for them.

They should take a leaf out of Jordan Seabright's book, the ex-Torquay goalkeeper who quit football to become a car salesman as he didn't see himself going anywhere and wanted to have a career and be successful. It wasn't his lack of ambition in football, but he saw a good opportunity to go home and work in a good environment. And who can fault him?

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