Clarke Osborne and Pontins Buyout (2008)

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Clarke Osborne and Pontins Buyout (2008)

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Got bored this evening and did a bit of digging and what did I find out, apparently Clarke Osborne was involved in the buyout at Pontins back in 2008. This guy really gets around. Guess what his role was? 'Property Director' (http://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Busines ... ew-Company) All of the below is my conjecture from what I've discovered but it makes a lot of sense and follows a lot of patterns we've seen else. I don't claim it to be true, merely the start of a discussion based upon my perception and some new information on who we're dealing with here.

For anyone who doesn't remember Pontins, beyond the site in Torquay, it was struggling mightily back in the later part of the 00s as package holidays and it's reputation as a poor man's Butlins were steadily killing it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/artic ... rator.html)

What it did possess was seven large sites across the country, already used for quasi-residential purposes. Looking from an ongoing business perspective Pontins was hardly an attractive prospect, it offered a style of holiday that experienced it's heyday decades before and had a poor brand name. About the only asset of any value that it possessed was it's holiday parks and their extensive residential buildings, which were in poor condition but could be improved. Although from my investigation the land they were built on seems to have been owned mainly by Northern Trust with Pontins leasing them, if Ocean Parcs (the vehicle for the buyout) could achieve long term leases then they could make something out of this large stock of property.

Working alongside Osborne in the buy out were people like Graham Parr, who had worked for Pontins in better days and intimately knew the company, he must have known that it was dying a slow death and would have been well aware of it's property across the country. Parr lead the buy out and is quoted below, obviously stating the property angle of the deal:
"I'm going to change the capital structure of how we sell holidays," he says. "If you take Prestatyn, you've got 800 apartments there. I'm going to offer them for sale to the public just as caravan parks sell caravans. We will let it over the year and the owner will get a return of 8 to 10 per cent."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... ntins.html
Clearly what he is trying to do here is cash in on Pontin's huge stock of property, worth well more than the actual hospitality company itself if the value could be unlocked by refurbishing the properties and selling them off, while probably continuing to run the entertainment side of Pontin's as a 'service' to the property owners. In the long term once the majority of the property was sold, I wouldn't be surprised if they would have split off this 'hospitality/service' company and sold it on, leaving them free to sail off into the sunset with their profits from the initial sale and ongoing fee for renting out the property, while the legacy Pontins is a shell of what it was, providing entertainment for the property investors to attract holidaymakers to their properties.

Unfortunately for Parr, Osborne and co this deal went through in March 2008, just weeks after the Northern Rock bank run and about six months later the Credit Crunch hit. In September 2008 Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy, in early October the British government had to rescue the Royal Bank of Scotland and forced HBOS and Lloyds to merge to rescue HBOS' dire situation. As the economy unravelled suddenly people didn't want to buy holiday resort property as an investment and the logic behind the investment collapsed. Although ironically the tightening of household budgets meant that demand for cheap British holidays - Pontin's actual business -increased.

Within a year Pontins had closed down their Hemsby and Blackpool sites. Hemsby apparently because they only possessed a short term lease (http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/pontins-pull ... y-1-169437) and as such it made their investments uneconomic, aka they couldn't sell off the property on the park given the short lease, even if the economic situation did improve. Furthermore it wasn't attracting enough visitors to pay it's way in the short term, so it got the chop. A few months later the Blackpool site faced the same fate. While I can't find any evidence about Pontin's leases outside of Hemsby and Blackpool, I wouldn't be surprised if they were much longer leases and Ocean Parcs intended on trying to ride out the economic storm with this portfolio - had Blackpool/Hemsby possessed a long term leases or were paying their way I doubt they would have been closed - if there's anything we know about Osborne is that he's prepared to play the long game to get his property (Poole/Swindon). The rest of the sites were retained and were run off minimal investment, based upon the income they were providing, does this sound similar to the last five months at Plainmoor?

By 2010, a promised £50m five year investment across the sites was failing to emerge with bits and bobs done here and there but nothing like what was promoted, plus a £100m promised redevelopment of Southport announced at the time of the buyout had failed to emerge ( http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/news/ ... nt-6619507) at least judging from this article (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... t-12867248 - it doesn't seem to be a park that had £100m invested only 6 years previous). This sounds eerily similar to GI's failed promises at Swindon et al - come in with a wave of promotion and promising big things and deliver very little.

By the end of 2010 Ocean Parcs had gone into admin. Parr claimed it was because of the recession but 'staycations' at cheap British locations had actually benefited from the recession as previously mentioned. He also claimed it was because of their bank withdrawing financial support but other sources stated very bluntly that it was in fact the management of Ocean Parcs which placed it into administration as a business decision (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11748317). While I can't comment definitively what the reasons for it were, should we not consider the potential that Parr and Osborne's property gamble had collapsed as a result of the Credit Crunch and they were beating a hasty retreat, putting the company into admin to avoid having to invest any more money (or indeed the promised money)? Pontins nearly died as a result and were saved by another buyout in 2011 but are still largely as crap as ever.

If what I conjecture is true, this is yet another example of Clarke Osborne's modus operandi. Identify a struggling company that possesses land or at minimum a long term lease upon land or assets which represent a viable bit of property speculation. Then promise the world to the public to sell your project. Run the existing company in the interim with minimal investment, promising big things and wait for the opportune moment to exploit the commercial potential of the property. If the local council is dumb enough to let you start a housing development before you deliver on a new stadium then all the better. Once you've made your money on the property, find a way out either through selling off the original company to another mug or through admin blamed upon other factors.

Food for thought. You may think I'm mad. I think this little story, even with my conjecture displays numerous similar elements with Osborne's other business ventures. Of course Osborne might have just gone into Pontins to help a friend but given his total lack of experience in the hospitality industry and his job title as 'Property Director' that does seem a little strange to me :}
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Some digging there mate....osborne needs to simply now meet with the fans and take questions....no more behind the HE or club media bullsh*t
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Well played SenorDingDong very interesting reading. What a cunning stunt Osborne is..............
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No doubt ROADRUNNER is going to appear soon and reassure us that all is fine and that we had no other options but GI..................
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SenorDingDong wrote: 26 Apr 2017, 21:41 If what I conjecture is true, this is yet another example of Clarke Osborne's modus operandi. Identify a struggling company that possesses land or at minimum a long term lease upon land or assets which represent a viable bit of property speculation. Then promise the world to the public to sell your project. Run the existing company in the interim with minimal investment, promising big things and wait for the opportune moment to exploit the commercial potential of the property. If the local council is dumb enough to let you start a housing development before you deliver on a new stadium then all the better. Once you've made your money on the property, find a way out either through selling off the original company to another mug or through admin blamed upon other factors.

This is the 'selling on as a capital venture' I have been talking about.


When the GI apologists merrily point out that 'at least they are paying the wages' they completely miss the point of operations like this; the seemingly 'paying of the wages' at Hereford United whilst weedling their way in there' and how they effectively 'loan sharked' their way into Dave Phillips structure.

As with this week's euphoria over Kevin Nicholson and the team ~ which will turn to dust if they **** up on Saturday ~ there is a disturbing element of those who see the Emperor's new clothes and not beneath them. Do not see the bleedin' obvious and get suckered into doing Clarke's bidding for him.
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Excellent research on Pontins. When I was in practice as an accountant I saw this behaviour several times, property developer claiming to be a 'friend' to a business then destroying it whilst stripping out all value from the property owned by the business. This is how they make their money, preying on the unfortunate.
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merse btpir wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 07:24 When the GI apologists merrily point out that 'at least they are paying the wages' they completely miss the point of operations like this; the seemingly 'paying of the wages' at Hereford United whilst weedling their way in there' and how they effectively 'loan sharked' their way into Dave Phillips structure.
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merse btpir wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 07:24 As with this week's euphoria over Kevin Nicholson and the team ~ which will turn to dust if they **** up on Saturday
Here we go again. Same old ..... More negativity. You give the impression that you would like to see it 'f*cked up' on Saturday, as you so charmingly put it, so you can come on here Saturday afternoon and say 'I told you so'. :red:
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tomogull wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 10:53 Here we go again. Same old ..... More negativity. You give the impression that you would like to see it 'f*cked up' on Saturday, as you so charmingly put it, so you can come on here Saturday afternoon and say 'I told you so'. :red:
He would love nothing more tomo. I (for one) question merse's agenda almost as much as GI's.
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I must say I am slightly confused by this witch hunt towards Merse if I'm honest. He's right. Should things go tits up on Saturday, I don't see it being a pretty ending. I don't know Merse from Adam but I highly doubt he would "love nothing more" than us to mess it up.

Surely it's better to be aware of the negatives rather than blissfully ignoring them!?
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Why don't you two (tomogull & richinns) just shut the **** up ~ a couple of whingers and whiners who translate anything other than cheerleading as somehow being 'anti'.......

Of course I want the team to win; this club has been my life for nigh on sixty years and I can see a league table and set of season's results when I see them and that tells me these things have a habit of going tits up with this lot.

Now grow up the pair of you!
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Plymouth Gull wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 11:09I must say I am slightly confused by this witch hunt towards Merse if I'm honest.
The 'witch hunt' is because richinns was removed from BTPIR and tomogull has a history of (let's say) 'not liking me'..... shit happens chaps and other people see things in different lights :devil:
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Some people really need to think before they post. To accuse a longstanding fan of wanting Torquay to lose a critical game on Saturday is way beyond banter. Many of us are deeply suspicious of the motives of a property developer who takes over a football club, and the history of Brighton, Hereford etc is one reason why. I was living in Bristol when Rovers lost Eastville, and we know who was behind that.

I have supported Torquay since 1964, my uncle played for the Gulls in the 1930s, I love this team. I want us to win on Saturday because I want us to stay up, a totally separate issue from my deep suspicions of Mr Osborne.
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Don't worry, tomogull, I'll stand by you.
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merse btpir wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 11:15 The 'witch hunt' is because richinns was removed from BTPIR and tomogull has a history of (let's say) 'not liking me'..... shit happens chaps and other people see things in different lights :devil:
Mr Merson - you are incorrect yet again! You removed my brother (Will) from BTPIR. I am (currently) still active on your forum and (rarely) post as Nazgull (now let's see how long that lasts!).

Let's get the reason for banning Will out there shall we?
It was because he challenged you to meet him face to face to discuss (nothing more) the disgusting way you had treated him (and several others) in the lead-up to GI taking control of the club - a group of people who actively put their own money on the line in the hope that it might possibly buy the club a few more weeks to find more suitable owners. To me a great deal more valiant than running to a newspaper and telling half-truths and rumour in order to reinforce yourself as some kind of leader. You do not lead me and never will!

One thing people should know about your forum is you cannot challenge the King on BTPIR, and banishment is the punishment, but you do not have the same power on here. Telling me to “shut the **** up” because you cannot quieten me is testament to that! This aggressive response is just a weak attempt to deflect away from who truly are:
You, Mr Merson, are a sad lonely individual who has a destructive and aggressive agenda. You belittle and bully all around in order to self-promote yourself as a way of trying to mask your own significant failings. End game - you want it all to burn whilst you watch on with a sick enjoyment of the results of your labour.

All this said - I do believe you very much understand the term 'witch hunt' though - as I am sure Kevin Nicholson (and many many others would agree with) it is what you specialise in, is it not?!
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