Torquay v Dover Saturday 7/10/17

Matchday topics and fixtures/results stored here.
Locked
JamieE
First Regular
First Regular
Posts: 419
Joined: 04 Sep 2010, 23:53
Location: Somerset

Post by JamieE »

tomogull wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 13:40I actually enjoyed watching their play - i would happily go to watch them every week if that is their usual standard.
Really? We have different preferences on style of play then. I can’t remember Dover stringing more than four passes together and the amount of goal kicks we had because they just hoofed it out of play was ridiculous. I’d love to watch a highlights reel of Brundle and Gallifuoco’s touches on the ball in central midfield, I reckon 80% of them were aimless hooks over the shoulder.

It’s not the type of football I like to see but unfortunately it worked against us. They marked so tightly against our forward players and just let our centre halves have the ball who are unable to start an attack. It was a frustrating watch, but we won’t cone up against that challenge too often and I’m still hopeful. I wouldn’t mind seeing McGinty and Higgins replaced though.
chunkygull
Plays for Country
Plays for Country
Posts: 2013
Joined: 20 Dec 2012, 22:49
Favourite player: david graham
Location: paignton

Post by chunkygull »

JamieE wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 15:02 Really? We have different preferences on style of play then. I can’t remember Dover stringing more than four passes together and the amount of goal kicks we had because they just hoofed it out of play was ridiculous. I’d love to watch a highlights reel of Brundle and Gallifuoco’s touches on the ball in central midfield, I reckon 80% of them were aimless hooks over the shoulder.

It’s not the type of football I like to see but unfortunately it worked against us. They marked so tightly against our forward players and just let our centre halves have the ball who are unable to start an attack. It was a frustrating watch, but we won’t cone up against that challenge too often and I’m still hopeful. I wouldn’t mind seeing McGinty and Higgins replaced though.
To be fair this post is pretty spot on. The more I think about it, on reflection Dover didnt really put much together, yes they had more chances and they took them but all game they were a physical, bullying lot of bastards. It was all wrestling, bumping, pulling, a toe here a hooked high ball there. They were a well organisedsolid unit who knew what they were doing, especially Parry but also Brundle the captain and the left back. Trouble is we wouldnt have scored if we were there until midnight and despite a lot of our passing game for once, which I was pleased to see we lacked a bit of bite, spark and any cutting edge and most of the times we played right into Dovers hands.
You are my torquay, my only torquay, you make me happy when skies are grey, you'll never know, just, how much i love you, so don't take my torquay away.
(laa, laa, - laaaa, - la, la, - laa, laa, - laaaa, - la, la. - la,la,la,la,la, - la,la,la,la....).
Soupdragon
On the Bench
On the Bench
Posts: 123
Joined: 06 Nov 2016, 18:05
Favourite player: Steve Woods

Post by Soupdragon »

It remains: in six weeks, this new management team will have won just four league points.

It took just two games before the players were being wholeheartedly and publicly blamed for the lack of results by a manager/coach who had said that they had clean slates, and that there was no pressure on them.

I concede they might be fitter (how could they not be?) but they are clearly no better.

As it stands, I'm unconvinced.
Dave
Legend
Legend
Posts: 7530
Joined: 05 Sep 2010, 07:57
Location: Newton abbot

Post by Dave »

chunkygull wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 15:44
The more I think about it, on reflection Dover didnt really put much together,
Have to disagree with you here. They scored twice, hit the post and crossbar and had a goal disallowed that looked a tight decision, and the lad Pennock missed a virtual tap in during the first half prior to him smacking the crossbar, they did a bit more than you think.
Formerly known as forevertufc
nickbrod
Top Scorer
Top Scorer
Posts: 1791
Joined: 19 Feb 2011, 08:48
Favourite player: Robin Stubbs
Watches from: Family Stand

Post by nickbrod »

What Dover did was to be far more clinical than us in both boxes. That was the primary difference between the two sides.
tomogull
Plays for Country
Plays for Country
Posts: 2782
Joined: 19 Nov 2012, 10:49
Favourite player: Colin Bettany

Post by tomogull »

nickbrod wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 16:47 What Dover did was to be far more clinical than us in both boxes. That was the primary difference between the two sides.
I suppose I watch games through the eyes of a former South Devon League defender, about Div 6. Dover's defending and support of each other was quite superb - they didn't really need a goalkeeper ! Although the centre half Parry got away with a lot he shouldn't have, thanks to referee Mr Allinson who was as bad as ever. I don't agree with Chunky that they were a bullying side - strong challenges yes, but in my opinion they were fair and not bullying. JamieE mentions Ryan Higgins. He's good going forward but his defending is suspect. As an example, when their winger hit the bar, Higgins was nowhere near to close him down, and that wasn't the only time. That's part of his game he has to tighten up on in my view.
portugull
Plays for Country
Plays for Country
Posts: 2398
Joined: 05 Sep 2010, 19:27
Favourite player: lee mansell
Location: Teignmouth
Watches from: Bristow’s Bench

Post by portugull »

Soupdragon it is not 6 weeks since the new management team took over it is 3 weeks.

Saturday 16th Sept was their first match in charge. If you are going to criticise get your facts straight.
Soupdragon
On the Bench
On the Bench
Posts: 123
Joined: 06 Nov 2016, 18:05
Favourite player: Steve Woods

Post by Soupdragon »

portugull wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 19:43 Soupdragon it is not 6 weeks since the new management team took over it is 3 weeks.

Saturday 16th Sept was their first match in charge. If you are going to criticise get your facts straight.
The new management team was appointed on 13 September. The next league game - and therefore the next points available - is on 21 October. I make that the best part of six weeks. But, ok, if you want to be entirely accurate: four points in five and a half weeks.

Of course, you could say it's 4 points from 15. Maybe that sounds better to you. It doesn't to me.

Better to face facts, I find. I doubt that Mr Owers is unaware of the facts.
merse btpir
Top Scorer
Top Scorer
Posts: 1860
Joined: 02 Jan 2017, 10:58
Favourite player: robin stubbs

Post by merse btpir »

Soupdragon wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 20:44Better to face facts, I find. I doubt that Mr Owers is unaware of the facts.
So it's four and a half weeks in FACT!

Four points out of fifteen ~ FACT!

Three points out of the previous thirty ~ FACT!

You can't argue with facts unless you quote inaccurate ones!
arcadia
Plays for Country
Plays for Country
Posts: 2168
Joined: 07 Oct 2013, 17:48
Favourite player: Jake Andrews
Location: Preston Sands

Post by arcadia »

Soupdragon wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 20:44 The new management team was appointed on 13 September. The next league game - and therefore the next points available - is on 21 October. I make that the best part of six weeks. But, ok, if you want to be entirely accurate: four points in five and a half weeks.

Of course, you could say it's 4 points from 15. Maybe that sounds better to you. It doesn't to me.

Better to face facts, I find. I doubt that Mr Owers is unaware of the facts
We all moan when we lose but give them a chance I think it's looking better already but Owers has got to get to know the players
better but that takes time.
nickbrod
Top Scorer
Top Scorer
Posts: 1791
Joined: 19 Feb 2011, 08:48
Favourite player: Robin Stubbs
Watches from: Family Stand

Post by nickbrod »

But he does know the players - he just has to work out a way to get rid of the dross.
merse btpir
Top Scorer
Top Scorer
Posts: 1860
Joined: 02 Jan 2017, 10:58
Favourite player: robin stubbs

Post by merse btpir »

It takes more than five games to work a player out Nick
MellowYellow
Top Scorer
Top Scorer
Posts: 1871
Joined: 26 Jul 2013, 15:26
Favourite player: Tony Scott

Post by MellowYellow »

merse btpir wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 22:05 It takes more than five games to work a player out Nick
Not if your name is 'Rory Fallon'.
PL21gull
On the Bench
On the Bench
Posts: 133
Joined: 22 Oct 2011, 10:40
Favourite player: Lee MansellBaseball

Post by PL21gull »

One of the most disappointing aspects was the lack of tactical change when it was so obvious that long balls in the air to one target man were being easily picked off by the 3-man Dover central defence - we made some substitutions but still tried to go through the middle where Dover were so strong. Two of our subs were a little lacking in height against such defenders, so Keating should have been on much sooner to be alongside our other front man as we continued pump balls up the middle and to forget how we played and won so well against Maidenhead.
The Dover keeper came off the cleanest player on the field; how on earth did we expect to score on the day?
So we reach the stage where we need to win half of our remaining matches to avoid relegation oblivion - how can that happen if we cannot find a way to make realistic goal-scoring opportunities?
Soupdragon
On the Bench
On the Bench
Posts: 123
Joined: 06 Nov 2016, 18:05
Favourite player: Steve Woods

Post by Soupdragon »

merse btpir wrote: 08 Oct 2017, 21:31 So it's four and a half weeks in FACT!

Four points out of fifteen ~ FACT!

Three points out of the previous thirty ~ FACT!

You can't argue with facts unless you quote inaccurate ones!
Taking your points in order:

It's 39 days between 13 September and 21 October (the next time league points are available to us). That's five and half weeks, not your claimed four and a half. FACT, as you would say.

Your next two FACTS I don't dispute, of course. Any fool could see something drastic needed to be done. I'm grateful that Mr Osborne bit the bullet.

Sorry, I seemed not to have received the memo that said some people may not be criticised at all.

I doubt that Mr Owers is crying into his fb page. Indeed, he seems to facing up to the facts: "we conceded soft goals" "they've bullied us" "we made poor decisions" "players are doing their own thing again" and so on ...

If it's not good enough for him, why should it be good enough for the rest of us?
Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 180 guests