Torquay United v Macclesfield Town, Match Day Thread 23/9/17

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Torquay United v Macclesfield Town, Match Day Thread 23/9/17

Post by SuperNickyWroe » 17 Sep 2017, 23:13

Dazza wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 21:36
I totally agree. It's been needed since Blissett left and before him after Bowman left. It's amazing we just keeping hoofing the ball forward game after game as if we had a player who any chance of retaining it . You can practically trace our results by the omission.
the irony is that Bowman nearly came back pre-season.... :-/
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Post by merse btpir » 17 Sep 2017, 23:22

Dazza wrote:
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we just keeping hoofing the ball forward game after game as if we had a player who any chance of retaining it
You've hit the nail on the head without realising it....... "hoofing the ball forward game after game". That's the problem; not the size of the intended recipient.

Good footballers and well managed teams don't hoof the ball forward; they play it intelligently into channels or even better into feet. A ball played in the air is invariably lost to the opposition and therein lays the fitness issue and repeated late concession of goals because the team spend an inordinate amount of the game chasing to get the ball back; get physically and mentally tired and forget their pre-match instructions.

I bet yesterday the levels of ball retention were dropping well before that late goal was conceded.......it's just so predictable just as it was at Lincoln last season when Nicholson orchestrated the chorus of 'unlucky' yet again........they weren't unlucky, they were profligate with possession!

If the guy up front happens to be big/tall then fine but remember his feet are still on the ground and they represent the best percentage chance of retaining possession.


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Post by SuperNickyWroe » 17 Sep 2017, 23:34

merse btpir wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 23:22
Dazza wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 21:36
we just keeping hoofing the ball forward game after game as if we had a player who any chance of retaining it
You've hit the nail on the head without realising it....... "hoofing the ball forward game after game". That's the problem; not the size of the intended recipient.

Good footballers and well managed teams don't hoof the ball forward; they play it intelligently into channels or even better into feet. A ball played in the air is invariably lost to the opposition and therein lays the fitness issue and repeated late concession of goals because the team spend an inordinate amount of the game chasing to get the ball back; get physically and mentally tired and forget their pre-match instructions.

I bet yesterday the levels of ball retention were dropping well before that late goal was conceded.......it's just so predictable just as it was at Lincoln last season when Nicholson orchestrated the chorus of 'unlucky' yet again........they weren't unlucky, they were profligate with possession!

If the guy up front happens to be big/tall then fine but remember his feet are still on the ground and they represent the best percentage chance of retaining possession.
as the great Brian Clough said....

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there."
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Post by Yorkieandy » 18 Sep 2017, 08:58

Looking at their squad i don't think there is any need to be fearful of them. They are up there in the table but have had a couple of surprising results at home especially getting hammered by both Woking and Maidstone. Their away form is ok including wins at Wrexham, Solihull, Chester and only losing narrowly at top of the tree Sutton. A heavy 3-0 loss at Gateshead is their only real blip away.

It's a dangerous time to play any side who have just been unexpectedly spanked 4-1 at home and they could prefer away games rather than at the Moss Rose so all in all i think another draw will probably be the most likely outcome here hopefully. I am struggling to see where a Torquay win will come from in this game but you never know.


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Post by arcadia » 18 Sep 2017, 19:01

SuperNickyWroe wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 23:34
merse btpir wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 23:22
Dazza wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 21:36
we just keeping hoofing the ball forward game after game as if we had a player who any chance of retaining it
You've hit the nail on the head without realising it....... "hoofing the ball forward game after game". That's the problem; not the size of the intended recipient.

Good footballers and well managed teams don't hoof the ball forward; they play it intelligently into channels or even better into feet. A ball played in the air is invariably lost to the opposition and therein lays the fitness issue and repeated late concession of goals because the team spend an inordinate amount of the game chasing to get the ball back; get physically and mentally tired and forget their pre-match instructions.

I bet yesterday the levels of ball retention were dropping well before that late goal was conceded.......it's just so predictable just as it was at Lincoln last season when Nicholson orchestrated the chorus of 'unlucky' yet again........they weren't unlucky, they were profligate with possession!

If the guy up front happens to be big/tall then fine but remember his feet are still on the ground and they represent the best percentage chance of retaining possession.
as the great Brian Clough said....

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there."
He was a great manager my favorite but he did have a big centre forward and wingers that could cross the ball but played through Robertson not O'Neal.


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Post by apgull » 20 Sep 2017, 22:39

Macclesfield have managed to strengthen their squad recently by getting rid of Courtney Richards, but I still expect us to get our first win.

I'll go for 2-1.


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Post by PhilGull » 20 Sep 2017, 22:47

I think that maybe where the young Rhys whatshisface comes in - big and mobile if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by gullno4 » 21 Sep 2017, 17:23

With Dowling out, can we name two centre midfielders?
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Post by DB57 » 22 Sep 2017, 09:37

Don't think Rhys Murphy is particularly ' big and mobile' . He says himself he is not a target man and was carrying an injury in pre season - welcome Rhys you are in good company - so he will probably need a bit of time to get up to speed. Pittman out for a couple of weeks as well so maybe there will be another addition to the squad today and maybe an exit ( Fallon) or two as well.


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Post by PhilGull » 22 Sep 2017, 10:09

I wouldn't be surprised if Murphy is another Kieffer Moore, comes in does really well then gets snapped up somewhere else.
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Post by brooker » 22 Sep 2017, 10:46

Haven't attended the last two home games, not due to any boycotting, but after a decade of hardly missing a game, the entertainment value had completely disappeared for me, and so I needed a break.

Will be back on the Popside though for Saturday, the new management duo deserve a welcome, and provide a glimmer of hope which has been missing for a little while now. Would be nice to see some of the other stay-aways step back inside Plainmoor too and create a bit of an atmosphere again, and give Owers and Kuhly some backing.


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Post by Rossi Martin » 22 Sep 2017, 11:28

2-0 Gulls win both in second half

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Post by Lloyder5 » 22 Sep 2017, 11:39

brooker wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 10:46
Will be back on the Popside though for Saturday, the new management duo deserve a welcome, and provide a glimmer of hope which has been missing for a little while now. Would be nice to see some of the other stay-aways step back inside Plainmoor too and create a bit of an atmosphere again, and give Owers and Kuhly some backing.
I will be there for the same reasons. :scarf:
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Post by DWB » 22 Sep 2017, 12:02

Have to agree would be nice to support the new guys. Think these two are, hopefully, what we need, football people who are here to do a job for their own benefit and thereby benefiting the clubs fortunes. I will certainly be there (although I do have a season ticket!).
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Post by desperado » 22 Sep 2017, 16:22

My team for tomorrow

Dorel
Efete Gowling McGinty Higgins
Young Evans
McQuoid Gray Murphy Myrie-Williams

subs Reid, Anderson, Keating, Osborne and another who is fit, I may have left out someone, so many comings, goings
injuries

Cant see who else will play left back, surely not Anderson at home, and Higgins does have a left foot
The 3 new guys up front I assume will play if deemed to be match fit

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