Torquay v Chester. 2/9/17 Match day thread

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Maybe but Dan was not exactly flawless was he ?
Again I come back to the point of the No 2 keeper issue !
I just think that if he is not good enough then why did Nicho sign him back ?
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It's pretty obvious Nicho signed him having not seen him play this is why he played nearly all the friendly games he's got potential but not even nearly ready for the first team.
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forevertufc wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 18:06 No, no, no, it's not the perfect time for Osborn to start in goal tomorrow, in fact, not only is it the wrong time for him to start, I can't think of a much worse time than to throw the young lad in to the lions den.
Absolutely agree with that and if the new goalie turns out to be fit for purpose then Osborn needs to be loaned out to get some match time pronto.........he's been sitting on Nicholson's bench in weekly danger of being thrown to the wolves with possible calamitous damage to his future prospects. More scandalous treatment of a young development player by an unqualified manager. The legacy left by Nicholson grows more toxic by the day!

There was absolutely no justification at all for the previous manager to be signing players he hadn't seen play; pure laziness and scandalous prioritising of time management..........no wonder he got sacked!
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arcadia wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 19:49 It's pretty obvious Nicho signed him having not seen him play this is why he played nearly all the friendly games he's got potential but not even nearly ready for the first team.
So did we or did we not sign him as a number 2 ? The short answer is either yes or no with the subsequent view of his current level irrelevant .
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It was clear to see at the pre-season friendly at Tiverton that young Osborn is years away from even National League football.
A totally bizarre signing by somebody out of his depth. Agree young Osborn needs to go out on loan.
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merse btpir wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 20:05 Absolutely agree with that and if the new goalie turns out to be fit for purpose then Osborn needs to be loaned out to get some match time pronto.........he's been sitting on Nicholson's bench in weekly danger of being thrown to the wolves with possible calamitous damage to his future prospects. More scandalous treatment of a young development player by an unqualified manager. The legacy left by Nicholson grows more toxic by the day!

There was absolutely no justification at all for the previous manager to be signing players he hadn't seen play; pure laziness and scandalous prioritising of time management..........no wonder he got sacked!
It hasn't been "Nicholson's bench" for the last three games, and won't be his bench tomorrow either, yet this goalkeeper will still be sat there. Maybe he needed to get a young keeper in that would be paid peanuts and went for him on the advice of our "head scout". That is, after all, what we are paying him for.
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Scot it's no different to what Nicho did last season with local keepers yes it was the cheap option but a gamble which has blown up in the clubs face now he's gone.
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I know there are some who don't like 'you tube' clips but it helps in researching the style of a player.

The Clip below is our new French goalie Vincent Dorel playing for Argyle. Sorry about the oriental music but the Janner's have no geographical sense and don't know if there in Devon or China.

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forevertufc wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 18:02 I wasn't in anyway suggesting we should turn up and happy clap the team.

Fans do pay their and do have a right to express their discontent, but there is world of difference between expressing discontent, and darn right abuse, no other industry would tolerate it, being on the wrong end of a moan and a groan, even booing, isn't nice, but most will cope with that, even take it on the chin, players know when they've deserved it.

What I was focusing on, is the shouts of 'you f-in, useless c' and much worse that I hear game in and out, no one deserves that.
I absolutely agree with Forever. I will clap the team off at the end of a match, whether we have won or lost ....... IF I have seen effort and commitment on the pitch. I think I clapped the team off after every game last season and the Tranmere game this season. But not the Boreham Wood or Solihull games because in my opinion several players showed a lack of commitment in those games. As for abuse, after the Solihull game most of the players stood well back from the Pop Side. Only one player - Sean McGinty - had the guts to come closer and clap the fans. For his trouble, he received exactly the torrent of abuse and V signs that Forever is talking about from young hotheads, middle aged guys and not-so-middle aged guys who should know better. Fair play to McGinty - he took it and didn't get involved in any ugly banter. On the way out, I saw two forty-somethings almost come to blows.

However, Pep Guardiola tells us - rightly - that football is an emotional game when trying to defend brainless Raheem Sterling's second yellow card for running into the crowd. I bet that less than an hour after the match, in the cold light of day when emotions had cooled, most of those who ranted and raged at McGinty were saying to themselves "I shouldn't have done that - he didn't deserve it". Nobody could ever accuse McGinty of a lack of commitment (he should be captain in Gowling's absence), but like most of the side, he is struggling form-wise at present.
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MellowYellow wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 23:59 The Clip below is our new French goalie Vincent Dorel playing for Argyle.
Pros: Commanding and assertive in the air; sets up a quick counter attack with his hands in the 'French style' well......that's how the rather shorter Brendon Moore was when he first arrived ~ until Nicholson & Herrera got into his head!

Cons: Tendency to parry rather than low hold balls into his immediate box and he United defence aren't the quickest to react in this situation.
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tufcyellowarmy wrote: 01 Sep 2017, 18:46 Errrr yes actually it should!.

Dan Lavercombe made his debut at the same age having been the product of our youth system . Osborn arguably having gone to a premiership club has had some of the best coaching available. We are in the NL not PL .
Any goal keeper would tell you that coming into a losing side is a "nothing to lose situation " . Those of us who have played at any level know what I am talking about. He is not 16 and fresh from the youth team he is a professional footballer.
That aside , the main issue I have is that we obviously haven't signed Osborn as a straight up and down no 2. If we had we would be debating this point.
Not going to turn this into a willy waving exercise, I have never claimed to be an expert, far from it, I spent 10 years working in youth development football, albeit at a local level, however worked along side a number professional football development schools, including a specialist goalkeeper academy, I even saw Neal Osborn play as an U12, trust me I'm delighted for the lad he's been given a go at TUFC, I'm also lucky enough to know a couple of ex-professional keepers and I don't mean those who once played for TUFC.

That's why a disagree with what you say above, and whilst I know a few keepers that will say they enjoy the busier games, however, ALL will tell you they'd rather play in a team with a competent back line, and they will tell you confidence in goalkeeping is a key element, you won't get that from playing in a losing team, in front of a back line that resembles the keystone kops.

I have feeling you know Neal, I also think your not looking at this from a pure footballing point of view. Had the team won the majority of their games, if they had a well drilled back line, who could offer a young keeper some protection, with CB that could talk him through the game, I'd be agreeing with you right now.

But that's so far removed from the truth it's unbelievable, I've actually lost count, is it 6 games in a row the team have lost, and we have a back line that don't appear to have the ability to talk to each other let lone the keeper, bit disturbing for me as that's U14-15 stuff.

Putting Neal Osborn into this team would be decision born from the 'mind of a mad man' it's an every thing to lose situation, for the club, the team, and most important of all, the player.
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I was at the horses several years back and the weather turned awfully...hideous rain, thunder and lightning and dark skies.

I thought "any horse could win this" so chucked a couple of £ on the 125:1 horse and despite all the odds the darn thing won!

I feel the same about this game...the conditions in terms of the team are terrible with so many injuries, we don't have a manager and we are on a terrible losing streak.

Something tells me that the team will nick a victory despite the odds.

C'mon lads!
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forevertufc wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 07:24
That's why a disagree with what you say above, and whilst I know a few keepers that will say they enjoy the busier games, however, ALL will tell you they'd rather play in a team with a competent back line, and they will tell you confidence in goalkeeping is a key element, you won't get that from playing in a losing team, in front of a back line that resembles the keystone kops. Had the team won the majority of their games, if they had a well drilled back line, who could offer a young keeper some protection, with CB that could talk him through the game, I'd be agreeing with you right now.
But that's so far removed from the truth it's unbelievable, I've actually lost count, is it 6 games in a row the team have lost, and we have a back line that don't appear to have the ability to talk to each other let lone the keeper, bit disturbing for me as that's U14-15 stuff. Putting Neal Osborn into this team would be decision born from the 'mind of a mad man' it's an every thing to lose situation, for the club, the team, and most important of all, the player.
That's exactly the situation and Herrera knows that.

Had the club had even the resemblance of a footballing infrastructure with a proper u19 team in the National League U19 Alliance or even in the Junior Premier League u 18s; there would be somewhere to play Neal Osborn but the way things stand he's just cheap labour filling the bench without even a loan option to take up somewhere for mid-week football.....returning to Torquay United in it's current state after being released by Southampton seems a crazy and ill considered move by the player in my opinion that is surely borne of his home town attachment to the club rather than a rational footballing decision. He's chucking his footballing future down the toilet at a club that doesn't even enter the FA Youth Cup!

The club's own website tells us that '2017 is a huge year for Torquay United. It marks the return of youth football to the Club and it is taking the form of a series of age ranges taking on the Junior Premier League' but the higher end of that is not on the immediate agenda. In the meantime Torquay United lag miles behind the much derided Boreham Woods, Sutton Uniteds, Bromleys and Eastleighs of their own league but if those on the forums and amongst the crowd who express dismay that those so called 'smaller' clubs frequently outmanoeuvre ours only realised that they are in fact now much bigger than Torquay United in their footballing infrastructure; people wouldn't express such ill-informed rubbish as Plainmoor78s suggestion that Osborn should play today.
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Torquay are odds on for this game :O Chester at 11/4 will at least be consolation for another defeat.
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JamieE wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 08:55 Torquay are odds on for this game :O Chester at 11/4 will at least be consolation for another defeat.
I probably shouldn't of but I had a cheeky fiver on Chester. An easy way to win a tenner!!!
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