Torquay United V Woking-Tue 18TH

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Post by arcadia »

I think that Cox has done tremendous job the first half was brilliant and we competed and looked a good side. Half time came we came out and could not put two passes together what went on in the dressing room. We just aimlessly kicked the ball away and no one could hold the ball to pass the ball to take some pressure off. Woking looked better than they were because we were not calm on the ball. The goal they scored our keeper was in no mans land and how does someone get a clear header on goal so easily that late in the game.
Lavercombe may not have got to the cross but is the better keeper but for some reason has not been given a chance to show what he can do. Thats all I will say on the subject out of respect of the job Cox has done.
Enjoyed the first half but hope we can learn to pass when we are under pressure in our next game.
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Seen the evidence, not even a question about it, it's VERY obviously a seven. Finally we have clear proof of Huxtable's cheating. He should never officiate again.

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That was the worse refereeing performance I have seen since the Devon & Cornwall Police v. Tavistock Devon Premier Cup semi-final on the 19th Feb 1994 and that was only matched by the Torquay v. Notts County game September 1979 in the league cup. On both occasions the ref needed to be escorted from the pitch. That happened tonight as the stewards readied him for his strut of shame. His performance was an absolute disgrace. He did not give us one thing and he must have been one of the happiest people in the ground when Woking scored. First half not bad but our crossing was poor throughout. There's more grit in this team though and Louis looks fitter. Glad I waited behind with many fans above the tunnel to have a shout at the ref. There were some seriously angry people there. I feel like writing to the FA in the strongest possible terms.
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Post by torq2u »

Could not believe some of the non-decisions tonight. Awful officials. What a farce!

Yakubu the goalscorer should have had a red card first half as their last man holding back Fisher who was trying to attack their goal.
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Once the dust settles I suspect the series of events to be explained as follows:

The TUFC bench put No 17 down on the card instead of the intended No 7 by mistake.

The forth official displayed the correct numbers on his board and the substitution process began.

Moments before Fisher left the field of play the forth official was notified verbally of the error by the Torquay bench but did nothing to prevent the player leaving the pitch.

Fisher left the field of play to be replaced by Heslop, therefore the substitution will be deemed to have taken place.

Leaving the referee exempt from any criticism for following the letter of the laws of the game and TUFC fined heavily and all punishments upheld.
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Post by portugull »

The best referees you simply do not notice.

The worst referees are the ones who are determined to be the centre of attention and decide they are more important than the players.

Huxtable is without doubt the worst referee I have ever seen in 60 years. In fact he gets worse by the match.

The officials were lamentable tonight and that is an understatement.

A draw would have been a fair result. I much prefer Marsh over Quigley. At 6 feet 3 inches tall he barely won a header all night.

The 89th minute winner for Woking was down to Kadell Daniel who took a superb corner to the back post.

To be honest we were second best in the second half and Woking look a good side.
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portugull wrote:The best refere asidees you simply do not notice.

The worst referees are the ones who are determined to be the centre of attention and decide they are more important than the players.

Huxtable is without doubt the worst referee I have ever seen in 60 years. In fact he gets worse by the match.

The officials were lamentable tonight and that is an understatement.
Why did he position himself as close as possible to the popside when restarting the game after the sub-gate affair and stay on the pitch for so long after the final whistle, other than to get the attention of everyone in the ground?

Probably to get more coverage on forums like this to which he probably subscribes to late at night and in the dark...
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Post by PlainmoorB0b »

First half I thought we looked great - especially Carmichael, Quigley and Hurst. The formation looked solid, the football quite entertaining and the side had teeth with Richards getting about, Exodus winning everything and Macdonald even bursting down the wing at one point. When we came out for the second half we looked disjointed and lost every second ball - the substitution fiasco made things worse though Fisher and Quigley didn't link up anything like as well as the first half.
As for huggable Huxtable... It irks me to say he had his hands tied on the substitution, the fourth official probably has to be questioned there... However, the clear pull back on Fisher and the trip on Richards were pretty unforgivable misses - particularly the first. You can't place your hands on the shoulder of a forward moving away from you towards goal with no one left to beat and get away with it these days ( unless Huxtable is reffing obviously...)
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Post by T1ggerboo »

ferrarilover wrote:Seen the evidence, not even a question about it, it's VERY obviously a seven. Finally we have clear proof of Huxtable's cheating. He should never officiate again.

Matt.
What is the evidence Matt so I can incorporate it in my letter to Fa & nat lge chairman ??

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ferrarilover wrote:Seen the evidence, not even a question about it, it's VERY obviously a seven. Finally we have clear proof of Huxtable's cheating. He should never officiate again.

Matt.
What is the evidence Matt so I can incorporate it in my letter to Fa & nat lge chairman ??
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Post by OllieGull »

There's comments from Paul Cox on the Herald Express website, where he says:

"The fourth official told us the paperwork said 17 – but it said 7.

"All the referee needed to do was show common sense, which is sometimes hard for them, but the whole thing erupted.

"I don't want to say too much regarding the officials because it is usually the manager or officials from the football club that get into trouble.

"At the time I ran up to the halfway line to stop Alex coming off. I actually thought he was coming off for a drink at first.

"I basically caught him as he placed one foot over the line. But the game had not restarted.

"My argument with the fourth official was – whatever the scenario was, if he had made an honest mistake, then just use common sense and rectify it.

"But instead of that, he dug his heels in and stated that the substitution had been made.

"But it was his mistake, not ours, at a time when Briscoe was starting to feel it a little bit and we needed fresh legs on.

"That's the biggest frustration for me on a night that I thought we played well in the first half – and don't think we played as we can do in the second half."
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Last season's game against Woking was a tight affair which we edged 1 - 0. Although there was little goalmouth action, both teams played some neat football (this was near the beginning of the season when we were looking a decent side) and I enjoyed that match. Tonight's game was similar but with one major difference. Last season's match was very well referee'd - this season we had Brett Huxtable who as Samuel and Portugull have already posted, is the worst referee i have ever seen at Plainmoor. I don't like criticising refs 'cos it's a tough job and they mostly get decisions right even though we supporters don't always agree in the heat of the match. But Huxtable is simply incapable - surely the assessors can see this? He has spoiled every match he has officiated at Plainmoor.

On to the match itself. The first half was fairly even but Woking had the better of the second half and deserved to edge the match. Even before the substitution fiasco, Woking were on top. Brian Saah and his central defender partner played well and had Quigley and Fisher well under control all match. Quigley works hard but he seems to expect the ball to come to his feet instead of anticipating through balls. There was a glaring example in the second half when a good ball by Fisher was not anticipated. Hurst and particularly Butler didn't get down the wings enough for me which meant that most of our attacking options were down the middle or Fisher moving out to the wing, leaving Quigley on his own in the middle - easy meat for Saah. The three central defenders were excellent and both Richards and Carmichael played well in midfield but Briscoe contributed little to support Quigley and Fisher.

The support tonight was great and well done the drummer for keeping up the beat for the whole game - it makes a hell of a difference. The gate, less than 2000 on a fine August evening, was disappointing. I'm afraid it's a symptom of the Torbay apathy.
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Post by kevgull »

Last night Brett Huxtable and his team sank to a new low in the eyes of most, if not all TUFC supporters. The poorest officiating display I have EVER witnessed. It saddens me to think that he will be allowed to take charge of another Conference game!

I have no sour grapes with the result last night, Woking deserved to edge the game on their 2nd half performance. However the result may have been different if the playing field was level!
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kevgull wrote:Last night Brett Huxtable and his team sank to a new low in the eyes of most, if not all TUFC supporters. The poorest officiating display I have EVER witnessed. It saddens me to think that he will be allowed to take charge of another Conference game!

I have no sour grapes with the result last night, Woking deserved to edge the game on their 2nd half performance. However the result may have been different if the playing field was level!
Sadly what happens in football at the top isn't mirrored throughout. For example Lee Mason who reffed the Palace v Arsenal game on Sunday and failed to give a second yellow to an Arsenal player has been demoted this coming weekend as a 'punishment'. If this was followed Mr Huxtable would be 'rested' for several weeks.
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Yes the ref was truly abysmal, but we did not lose because of him - although we should have had the opportunities to go ahead and win from the obvious penalty and from the free-kick incident on the edge of the area just before Woking scored the winner. We played supportive passing football in the first half but not in the second.
Woking changed to a more attacking formation in the second half and we could not handle it sufficiently; Woking made a hatful of chances, from which they should have scored, whereas we mustered only six attempts on goal (mostly from distance) of which none were on target! The long-ball game was shown to be very ineffective in the second half, whereas Woking played basic triangles and 1-2s at pace and were good to watch.
However, how do we lose to a corner when we have 3 centre backs to guard the goal? Answer, we have a goalkeeper who may be a shot-stopper but who consistently misses or drops crosses/corners. This was especially poor when nearly all of Woking's corners were sent to or beyond the far post, so it was hardly a surprise. Will Lavercombe be given any chance to develop and to make money for the club?
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Post by Kit_robin »

To clear up something about the substitution fiasco - Huxtable has the power to do anything he likes, he is the referee and his decision is final. The fact he likes to do things that get him noticed is what is so abhorrent about him.

Anyway, a couple myths that were circulating yesterday in the crowd and i see have been mentioned on here. The substitution has NOT taken place once Fisher left the field of play. The substitution is ONLY deemed to have been completed when the replacement player ENTERS the field of play. This is from Fifa's laws of the game:

Substitution procedure
In all matches, the names of the substitutes must be given to the referee prior
to the start of the match. Any substitute whose name is not given to the
referee at this time may not take part in the match.
To replace a player with a substitute, the following conditions must be
observed:
• the referee must be informed before any proposed substitution is made
• the substitute only enters the fi eld of play after the player being replaced
has left and after receiving a signal from the referee
• the substitute only enters the fi eld of play at the halfway line and during a
stoppage in the match
• the substitution is completed when a substitute enters the fi eld of play
• from that moment, the substitute becomes a player and the player he has
replaced becomes a substituted player


Also, that the referee has little scope to correct mistakes made by his officials. Again from the laws of the game:

Decisions of the referee
The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including
whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are fi nal.
The referee may only change a decision on realising that it is incorrect or, at his
discretion, on the advice of an assistant referee or the fourth offi cial, provided
that he has not restarted play or terminated the match.


In my opinion Huxtable was wrong to make Fisher go off no matter what happened. I would feel differently if Heslop had entered the field of play, but as long as he was on the sidelines and play had not restarted common sense and the overal jurisdiction of the referee should have been enforced to allow the intended change to take place.

HOW wrong Huxtable was depends on what was on the bit of paper passed to the fourth official. If it was indeed 7 as suggested by Cox, then Huxtable is just plain wrong - there is no grey area. The substitution had not taken place at the time the error was pointed out (Heslop was not on the pitch) and therefore the 4th officials mistake should have been rectified.

There is more wiggle room for Huxtable if the number 17 was on the substitution slip. In this case the 4th official and Huxtable could dig their heels in and say "its not our fault you wrote down the wrong number" - however as thesubstitution had not taken place yet, I feel this is also incorrect and Huxtable should have let the intended substituiton take place. n this scenario, in which we supplied the wrong number, i would agree with Huxtable IF Heslop had entered the field of play - at that point the substitution is complete and therefore cannot be changed. But it wasnt. So it could.

To do anything other than let Briscoe come off seems to me to be incredibly petty and once again about his own ego and not about the success of the football match he is officiating.

Someone earlier said how would we feel if Woking were allowed to swap subs - i would have been completely fine about it. Why wouldnt I be? No substitution had taken place, they can replace whoever they want with whoever they want in my book.

But, as others have said - it isnt why we lost. I DO however think it played its part in unsettling our side.
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