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by Rjc70 » 24 Jan 2017, 18:22

Probably.

Regarding Chris Rich's comments that GI would ideally like to have the freehold but it is not essential - They settled for leasehold at Reading Speedway before it's closure.

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by Plainmoor78 » 24 Jan 2017, 15:49

gullpower wrote:
24 Jan 2017, 10:05
portugull wrote:
24 Jan 2017, 09:52
I have received an email from Teresa Buckley at Torbay Council this morning to advise that the issue of Plainmoor will now be discussed at a Meeting on 29th March 2017.I think she has written to all who contacted the Council.
Talk about moving the goal posts!
Probably due to the national league delaying it's ratification of GI. Seems to suggest that GI are actually in consultation with the council at this very moment.

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by gullpower » 24 Jan 2017, 10:05

portugull wrote:
24 Jan 2017, 09:52
I have received an email from Teresa Buckley at Torbay Council this morning to advise that the issue of Plainmoor will now be discussed at a Meeting on 29th March 2017.I think she has written to all who contacted the Council.
Talk about moving the goal posts!

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by portugull » 24 Jan 2017, 09:52

I have received an email from Teresa Buckley at Torbay Council this morning to advise that the issue of Plainmoor will now be discussed at a Meeting on 29th March 2017.I think she has written to all who contacted the Council.

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by Plainmoor78 » 22 Jan 2017, 21:51

hector wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 12:27
What should be noted from the comments issues by TUST, in relation to their meeting with property developers, GI, is the one where it was said that 'promotion is not a short-term target' yet further into the report it suggests GI will move on if they cannot get their hands on the freehold.
It does not say that. It says that whilst GI are keen to obtain the freehold of Plainmoor it is not essential to a future relocation of the club and building of a new stadium.

However it does say that the club will need to be financially stable in order for GI to maintain its interest.

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by PhilGull » 22 Jan 2017, 21:45

hector wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 12:27
What should be noted from the comments issues by TUST, in relation to their meeting with property developers, GI, is the one where it was said that 'promotion is not a short-term target' yet further into the report it suggests GI will move on if they cannot get their hands on the freehold.

Anyone who seriously thinks GI have any interesting in this club progressing, must surely need their head testing. This is a land grab. If we pretend and believe them for a minute and accept that promotion is, if not a short-term target, then no doubt, a long-term one, just what is meant by that?

Promotion will be a target once we are playing in a new stadium? How likely is it that we would be playing in a new stadium within the next two years, with all the issues relating to the site at the Willows, with all the planning issues that would need to be resolved, sale of Plainmoor etc and not least the fact that GI never actually build anything they promise to.

Promotion is a pipe dream. Long-term, we are looking at a decade or more and that is even if GI are being honest. What about if, as most suspect, they are not?

GI have the fan base by the balls. We refuse to go and they just run the club down and the reason for Plainmoor no longer exists. We go and they can make it appear that their plans and regime are well supported.

Have to say I read it differently. They are a business and have bought a football club for very little money. As a business they want to maximise their earnings and as such are wanting to come up with a plan to invest in the club to move it forwards and increase it's value. Their plan is that in five years time we will be back in the Football League and they will be able to sell the club for a profit. If however someone comes in before then with a good offer then they are open to selling on before the five years plan is complete.
At the end of the day it is in the interest of GI for the club to flourish and grow and move forwards and upwards, if only to maximise their profit when they inevitably sell.

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by hector » 22 Jan 2017, 12:27

What should be noted from the comments issues by TUST, in relation to their meeting with property developers, GI, is the one where it was said that 'promotion is not a short-term target' yet further into the report it suggests GI will move on if they cannot get their hands on the freehold.

Anyone who seriously thinks GI have any interesting in this club progressing, must surely need their head testing. This is a land grab. If we pretend and believe them for a minute and accept that promotion is, if not a short-term target, then no doubt, a long-term one, just what is meant by that?

Promotion will be a target once we are playing in a new stadium? How likely is it that we would be playing in a new stadium within the next two years, with all the issues relating to the site at the Willows, with all the planning issues that would need to be resolved, sale of Plainmoor etc and not least the fact that GI never actually build anything they promise to.

Promotion is a pipe dream. Long-term, we are looking at a decade or more and that is even if GI are being honest. What about if, as most suspect, they are not?

GI have the fan base by the balls. We refuse to go and they just run the club down and the reason for Plainmoor no longer exists. We go and they can make it appear that their plans and regime are well supported.

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by Southampton Gull » 21 Jan 2017, 19:18

Thanks very much for the clarity of the post, they don't half try to make things confusing.

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by Soupdragon » 21 Jan 2017, 09:35

gullpower wrote:
21 Jan 2017, 08:27
The Save Plainmoor petition has now ended with 176 signatories. It will be presented at the Policy Development and Decision Group (Joint Operations Team) meeting on 6th Feb where the lease of Plainmoor is due to be discussed.

In the meantime I am confused as statements regarding GI, the Council and the Plainmoor lease seem to conflict.

On the one hand the notes from the TUST meeting with the Council on 17th Jan state:

“The Council has not met GI since the takeover and has not received any specific proposals about either Plainmoor or other potential relocation sites. The Council has met previous club owners and other third parties (including GI earlier last year).”

Whereas at the end of the Club Statement released yesterday it states:

“The Board of Directors has been engaged in discussions with Torbay Council regarding various matters relating to the Club, and sporting and leisure facilities in Torbay. These include the potential purchase of the freehold interest in the Plainmoor Ground, and the discussions are ongoing.”
I noted that, too, gp. I guess it's because the council officers that Messrs Goulbourne etc met with don't actually know for certain who the elected members have been meeting with. TUST's note state that 'the council' (and we don't know whether the officers refer to themselves as that, to the elected members as that, or to a combination of the two. I suspect it's the first) has not met with GI since the takeover. The officers simply cannot know what the elected members are doing all the time. Plus, given the schisms in the local Tory party, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the anti-Oliver brigade has not sought to get involved with GI on the side.

It may also be that GI is prepared to play the long game and wait two years for the system at the town hall to change: there will then be a 'leader of the council' elected from among the majority party and we will go back to decisions being made in secret with no one for us to hold to account.

Still, the fact remains: it's currently a mayoral decision, and the mayor has already indicated that his decision will be made at a meeting held in public (eg: the PDDG on 6 Feb). If the mayor's decision is to send it to full council, then we need to make certain we have enough councillors for a simple majority. We can count on all the Lib Dems, as well as Julien Parrott of UKIP. What we need now is for people to contact their own ward councillors (mine are already covered by those voting to keep TUFC as a tenant of the council) and get a definitive answer from them and publish them here, in public, so they can be held to account. Remember, most of these Tories will want to be re-elected in just two years.

We have nine votes confirmed, and there are 37 up for grabs, including the mayor (although the chairman, a Tory, Hill, often votes twice if the vote is tied) so we need at least ten more Tories.

Ideally, though, we should aim for the mayor to make the right decision on 6 February, so we should also continue to write to him (and to Kevin Mowatt who is preparing the paper for the 6 Feb meeting) setting out a clear case for TUFC remaining as a tenant of the council.

Of course, even if the mayor makes the 'right' decision on 6 February, there's always the change of governance in 2017 for GI to try again. It won't end here, people.

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by gullpower » 21 Jan 2017, 08:27

The Save Plainmoor petition has now ended with 176 signatories. It will be presented at the Policy Development and Decision Group (Joint Operations Team) meeting on 6th Feb where the lease of Plainmoor is due to be discussed.

In the meantime I am confused as statements regarding GI, the Council and the Plainmoor lease seem to conflict.

On the one hand the notes from the TUST meeting with the Council on 17th Jan state:

“The Council has not met GI since the takeover and has not received any specific proposals about either Plainmoor or other potential relocation sites. The Council has met previous club owners and other third parties (including GI earlier last year).”

Whereas at the end of the Club Statement released yesterday it states:

“The Board of Directors has been engaged in discussions with Torbay Council regarding various matters relating to the Club, and sporting and leisure facilities in Torbay. These include the potential purchase of the freehold interest in the Plainmoor Ground, and the discussions are ongoing.”

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by gullpower » 20 Jan 2017, 06:54

Soupdragon wrote:
19 Jan 2017, 19:37
The Plainmoor 'issue' was deferred to the 6 February meeting to allow Kevin Mowatt time to prepare a thorough paper. It was not discussed today.

King George playing fields were, however, discussed. Decision to keep them as public going to full council for ratification (although the mayor and all councillors present were in agreement with this, a weird perfect storm combination of this decision being at odds with the council's published asset plan, plus the fact everyone thought the playing fields were part of a public trust although, in fact, it turns out they're not, means that decision couldn't be finalised today). Just as important to those concerned as Plainmoor is to us. Useful, as it's a precedent of sorts, I think.
Thanks for that info.

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by Soupdragon » 20 Jan 2017, 00:01

PhilGull wrote:
19 Jan 2017, 21:23
TUST had a meeting with Councillors today. According to email it was positive but with caveats. I am sure Mr Candy will pop it in the TUST thread before too long.
The meeting was with council officers (ie: staff), not with councillors (elected representatives) so can be only advisory. Apologies for pedantry, but as this is a public forum, it's important people are properly informed!

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by PhilGull » 19 Jan 2017, 21:23

TUST had a meeting with Councillors today. According to email it was positive but with caveats. I am sure Mr Candy will pop it in the TUST thread before too long.

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by Soupdragon » 19 Jan 2017, 19:37

The Plainmoor 'issue' was deferred to the 6 February meeting to allow Kevin Mowatt time to prepare a thorough paper. It was not discussed today.

King George playing fields were, however, discussed. Decision to keep them as public going to full council for ratification (although the mayor and all councillors present were in agreement with this, a weird perfect storm combination of this decision being at odds with the council's published asset plan, plus the fact everyone thought the playing fields were part of a public trust although, in fact, it turns out they're not, means that decision couldn't be finalised today). Just as important to those concerned as Plainmoor is to us. Useful, as it's a precedent of sorts, I think.

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by gullpower » 19 Jan 2017, 18:18

I spotted this in a piece on the back page of the Herald written by David Thomas:

"Landlords Torbay Council were due to hold a regular meeting of the Policy, Development and Decision Group committee today. The subject of Plainmoor and its lease was not on the advance agenda, although it could be added at the last minute."

It was on the agenda for today but taken off and was supposed to be discussed at the 6th Feb meeting. So it could have been added at the last minute today, which means that fans who wanted to be at the meeting for the Plainmoor lease discussion would have missed it.

Does anyone know what happened at that meeting today?

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