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by gullpower » 54 minutes ago

Soupdragon wrote:
Yesterday, 19:37
The Plainmoor 'issue' was deferred to the 6 February meeting to allow Kevin Mowatt time to prepare a thorough paper. It was not discussed today.

King George playing fields were, however, discussed. Decision to keep them as public going to full council for ratification (although the mayor and all councillors present were in agreement with this, a weird perfect storm combination of this decision being at odds with the council's published asset plan, plus the fact everyone thought the playing fields were part of a public trust although, in fact, it turns out they're not, means that decision couldn't be finalised today). Just as important to those concerned as Plainmoor is to us. Useful, as it's a precedent of sorts, I think.
Thanks for that info.

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by Soupdragon » Today, 00:01

PhilGull wrote:
Yesterday, 21:23
TUST had a meeting with Councillors today. According to email it was positive but with caveats. I am sure Mr Candy will pop it in the TUST thread before too long.
The meeting was with council officers (ie: staff), not with councillors (elected representatives) so can be only advisory. Apologies for pedantry, but as this is a public forum, it's important people are properly informed!

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by PhilGull » Yesterday, 21:23

TUST had a meeting with Councillors today. According to email it was positive but with caveats. I am sure Mr Candy will pop it in the TUST thread before too long.

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by Soupdragon » Yesterday, 19:37

The Plainmoor 'issue' was deferred to the 6 February meeting to allow Kevin Mowatt time to prepare a thorough paper. It was not discussed today.

King George playing fields were, however, discussed. Decision to keep them as public going to full council for ratification (although the mayor and all councillors present were in agreement with this, a weird perfect storm combination of this decision being at odds with the council's published asset plan, plus the fact everyone thought the playing fields were part of a public trust although, in fact, it turns out they're not, means that decision couldn't be finalised today). Just as important to those concerned as Plainmoor is to us. Useful, as it's a precedent of sorts, I think.

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by gullpower » Yesterday, 18:18

I spotted this in a piece on the back page of the Herald written by David Thomas:

"Landlords Torbay Council were due to hold a regular meeting of the Policy, Development and Decision Group committee today. The subject of Plainmoor and its lease was not on the advance agenda, although it could be added at the last minute."

It was on the agenda for today but taken off and was supposed to be discussed at the 6th Feb meeting. So it could have been added at the last minute today, which means that fans who wanted to be at the meeting for the Plainmoor lease discussion would have missed it.

Does anyone know what happened at that meeting today?

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by Louis » 18 Jan 2017, 16:57

Good on you Julien! Thanks for sharing susd :)

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by standupsitdown » 18 Jan 2017, 14:57

Positive reply from Councillor Parrott. Apologies if someone else has already posted similar.

Many thanks for your email.

I share your concerns about the future of Torquay United, both for the club itself and for its home within Torquay.

My position is clear: I shall vote against any change from the current situation, because that is what I believe is best for Torquay United, best for the Council in meeting the obligations of the covenants on the land, and - of course - represents the best use of the land for the people of the Bay. For clarity, that is: that the council retains ownership of the land and Torquay United remains the tenant.

I have made clear my position, as above, to my colleagues on the Mayor's Executive Group, well in advance of any meeting of the Policy Development Decision Group (PDDG), or any other council meeting.

I have been a TUFC fan since my grandfather first took me back in the early 1970s; Plainmoor has been the setting for so many memories, and long may that continue.

Please feel free to disseminate this reply as you wish, and I hope that you will forgive me, but time dictates that the above text will also form the basis of my response to others on this important subject.

Yours in yellow,

Julien

Julien Parrott
Councillor for Ellacombe
Executive Lead for Adults and Children, Torbay Council

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by Southampton Gull » 18 Jan 2017, 12:33

Nice to see GI never change their spots. Osborne cronies trying to scare/divide the fanbase on social platforms. Personally I hope they're refused as fit and proper owners and slink off back to Swindon. They aren't good for TUFC and won't be, no matter how much they try to bluff their way into our affections.

Clarke, your boys aren't as clever as you think they are, you've been rumbled and better prepare yourself for a fight.

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by PhilGull » 18 Jan 2017, 09:54

gullpower wrote:
17 Jan 2017, 23:41
Gloomy Gull wrote:
17 Jan 2017, 23:12
...if GI are blocked and their plans to strip the club are foiled........


...then we still have a club.

"HOW does the club continue to survive financially over a period longer than the next season."

TUST? Peter Masters? TUST & Peter Masters? White Knight? GI might change their spots but if not and they are allowed to buy Plainmoor or strip the club then you are right, there will be no more TUFC.

The petition runs until Friday, not sure what time but if you are thinking of signing then best do it in the next couple of days.

COYY! :scarf:
Then depending how quickly the minutes of TUSTs meeting with GI are released and what time on Friday the petition closes I may sign then.

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by Scott Brehaut » 18 Jan 2017, 00:08

171....

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by gullpower » 17 Jan 2017, 23:41

Gloomy Gull wrote:
17 Jan 2017, 23:12
...if GI are blocked and their plans to strip the club are foiled........


...then we still have a club.

"HOW does the club continue to survive financially over a period longer than the next season."

TUST? Peter Masters? TUST & Peter Masters? White Knight? GI might change their spots but if not and they are allowed to buy Plainmoor or strip the club then you are right, there will be no more TUFC.

The petition runs until Friday, not sure what time but if you are thinking of signing then best do it in the next couple of days.

COYY! :scarf:

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by Gloomy Gull » 17 Jan 2017, 23:12

Gloster - there was no question! It was a statement.

My questions revolved around does this club will have a credible financial future with or without Plainmoor. We are constantly reminded "there is no money".

So unless I am completely missing the point, the current income generating ability of the club is insufficient to cover the outgoings incurred?

Ergo - without external cash the club cannot continue to trade?

If the club is unable to generate sufficient income to fund its running costs, and that is after we have been repeatedly reminded that the playing budget is minimal, what is the credible financial long term plan to allow the club to continue to trade. Potentially, before any cash injection from GI the club was trading insolvently and probably, if taking on additional credit during that period, illegally!

If you read my post you will note that I do not support the GI model. I was trying to ask the question - if GI are blocked and their plans to strip the club are foiled........ HOW does the club continue to survive financially over a period longer than the next season.

From the comments made on this forum it would seem that whatever happens the club is doomed.

GI want to close the football club.......TUFC cannot survive financially on its own. Does stopping GI in their tracks help the club financially? I am willing someone to provide a case that proves we can "go it alone".

The end is nigh!!!!

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by gullpower » 17 Jan 2017, 23:07

Glostergull wrote:
17 Jan 2017, 20:00
Gloomy Gull wrote:
16 Jan 2017, 22:33
Glostergull wrote:
16 Jan 2017, 12:15
I dont iive in the bay any more but i signed up too. first thing i did when i saw it online. so why cant others be bothered
It is not a case of "being bothered", but before I add my support to something like this I need someone to please explain, (without hysterical rhetoric about how GI are only asset strippers and have left other sports clubs in the wilderness etc.etc.etc,) how looking to either block GI or force a change of direction from completing their business plan will secure the FUTURE of Torquay United football.

If GI, who are business men first, can only see resistance to any change and indeed their ownership of the football business - with their first real experience of their new customers being a concerted effort to block their preferred way forward for their new business, would they:

a) Even consider providing any further financial support to the football club ?
b) Consider that the fans, who form a high percentage of their future customer base, are the sort of customers they would want to do ongoing business with ?
c) Take the view that the initial investment has gone bad and just leave it to wither and die on the vine, accepting that will result in a loss to their business ?

Now ..... Let's assume that the petition is successful and it is the day after the decision has been made by the council and any purchase of Plainmoor has been refused and GI has chosen to turn their back on their investment. What are the immediate actions/plans for a secure future for TUFC.

- GI immediately call in the loan to Riviera.
- The first steps to a members voluntary liquidation are taken by the shareholders of Riviera.
- The Council do not receive any rent payments - how long are they prepared to allow the ground to be used rent free?
- The TUST call on the fans to funds the take over of the company.
- TUST are successful in raising enough to buy TUFC from GI/Liquidator.
- TUST now have full day to day control of TUFC.



Hurrah!! I hear so many saying -"we are saved", "the ground is safe", "those asset strippers have been defeated" , "err.....who is going to run the business on a day to day basis?" "how are we going to fund the ongoing running costs for the next x number of years?"

This is a doomsday scenario and exaggerated, but I have yet to read a credible future plan if sufficient funds could be raised to buy the ground, to maintain a functioning football club business.

Before I get the inevitable slating for "not caring" I have supported this club for over 40 years and have no wish to watch it disappear down the toilet, but there has to be a plan to keep the club alive for more than the immediate future.

I am not convinced that the GI model will be successful and am not suggesting that I support their intentions, but who amongst the Plainmoor Defence Unit have considered the financial implications of owning the club? We have seen the folly of saving the club from Admin without a credible tested financial plan for the long term - i.e. longer than the next season.
I can't believe you asked this question. have you been away for a long time? There have been so many people on here and so many links to actual articles from Swindon. Poole. Reading. Me (Bristol Rovers) Hereford and more. Everywhere they have been involved nothing has actually been built yet or at all.
In Reading, they forced the speedway club out and demolished the stadium. built homes on it and then disappeared. Speedway club is no more.

In Hereford, they got that International Businessman of repute.(disrepute more like) involved and Hereford went bankrupt.

At Bristol Rovers, they owned the Stadium. There was a very suspicious fire. the stadium never got a new stand to replace what was burnt down. the Council reduced the capacity down by 60% and Rovers Lost an enormous amount of money as a result. They then had Bristol Stadium Limited give them a short lease which at the end ended up having yet another huge hike I rent which forced Rovers out. I was working for Rovers at the time. Then they Then sold the site for development. having stripped the site of a tenant which would have stopped their plans.

In Poole, they have the operating rights to the stadium, have put in plans for the new stadium which has been ongoing for at least 20 years but nothing has actualy happened. the Council has been a little more staunch in making sure that there is no delay to the sports seasons.

Hereford Fans hold Clark Osborne responsible for the folding of the football club. Nuff said there.

The MIlton Keynes bowl has been leased to GI and despite plans for future developments. Investors have dropped out.(2013) it seems no one has any confidence in the development.

So broken promise after Broken promise. assets stripped from Bristol to enable them to sell. Reading decimated. what more do you need.

I wouldnt trust Gaming international as far as i could throw them. until they actualy achieve something here with the football club as benificiary and no strings I will never trust them.
:goodpost: The petition is about trying to make sure that Torquay is not added to the list.

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by arcadia » 17 Jan 2017, 22:18

Clarke Osborne was a director when Rovers lost their stadium. ASK HIM!

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by oldcommsboy » 17 Jan 2017, 22:05

Signed - now 169.


Chris

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